Pragmatic 113: Whack Me In The Face

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But that's okay. 00:01:09,100 --> 00:01:14,340 John: It's going to be sweaty, but it's going to be good. Tell me. But you see, you're talking 00:01:14,340 --> 00:01:29,380 Vic: I will trade you weather if you'd like. 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,500 Vic: Do you know what I woke up to this morning? 00:01:19,500 --> 00:01:22,000 Vic: Snow and three degrees Fahrenheit. 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,000 John: to the man that used to live in Calgary, mate. I mean, the only thing I didn't like about 00:01:29,380 --> 00:01:33,420 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:38,000 John: the snow was de-icing my car in the morning in the car park. That's the only thing I didn't 00:01:33,420 --> 00:01:38,260 Vic: Yeah, that blows, that blows really bad. 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,000 John: like. Yeah. Anyway, having said that, I also miss the mountains, and snow is beautiful 00:01:38,260 --> 00:01:46,820 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:46,000 Vic: It is pretty through the window, through the window. 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,000 John: in its own way. Except when you... Yeah. Yes. When you're trying to get somewhere and there's 00:01:46,820 --> 00:01:53,540 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,000 John: a foot of it on the ground, it's less good. But anyway. So I've got a whole bunch of stuff 00:01:53,540 --> 00:02:00,100 Vic: Yeah, it's a lot less good then. 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:03,000 John: I wanted to cover today. I do have a primary topic. Okay. I do have a primary topic, sort 00:02:00,100 --> 00:02:06,380 Vic: What you got, man? 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:14,000 John: of. But it's all got to do with... You can't call it 3D, right? You've got to call it spatial. 00:02:06,380 --> 00:02:14,020 Vic: Spatial computing, spatial computing. 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,000 John: But we'll get to that. 3D video. But we'll get to that. Yes, that's it. Indeed. I do 00:02:14,020 --> 00:02:21,060 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,000 John: all my computing spatially. Oh God, please. I'll call it whatever the hell I want. Expensive 00:02:21,060 --> 00:02:34,940 Vic: You should also not call it Vision Pro, the Vision Pro. 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,000 Vic: You have to call it Apple Vision Pro. 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:38,000 John: doorstop. There's another name it may get. Anyway, let's keep going. There's other things 00:02:34,940 --> 00:02:40,100 Vic: Mm, continue, I'm intrigued. 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,000 John: to talk about first. Okay. So just... I touched on it briefly. I have an issue with sound 00:02:40,100 --> 00:02:47,900 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:49,000 John: booth cooling. So I have the air conditioning unit, and I have some of the parts necessary 00:02:47,900 --> 00:02:52,220 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:59,000 John: that I acquired over the holidays. And anyway, unfortunately for me, I don't really have... 00:02:52,220 --> 00:02:59,820 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:24,000 John: How do I put this? I don't have all of the last pieces for me to make a start on it. 00:02:59,820 --> 00:03:06,540 John: Therefore, I haven't done anything about it. So I'm still on a non-air conditioned sound 00:03:06,540 --> 00:03:10,580 John: booth. And there's one other tiny problem. I have no air conditioning in the rest of 00:03:10,580 --> 00:03:14,820 John: my house. My wife spotted a air conditioning unit sitting next to the podcasting booth, 00:03:14,820 --> 00:03:20,060 John: not doing anything. It's the middle of summer. It's 90 degrees Fahrenheit out there regularly. 00:03:20,060 --> 00:03:25,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:30,000 John: So she says, "Well, can't have air conditioning units. Could be doing something constructive." 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,220 John: I'm like, "Yeah, it could be." And so it disappeared into the house. I think that it's borrowed. 00:03:29,220 --> 00:03:36,700 Vic: She stole it, she stole it. 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,000 John: It's borrowed. And I borrowed it back just for this morning's recording. So there you 00:03:36,700 --> 00:03:40,380 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:51,000 John: go. So I've cooled down the inside of the sound booth, and we're good to go. As soon 00:03:40,380 --> 00:03:44,020 John: as I start to melt into a puddle, we'll take a break. But I don't know. I'm tough. I can 00:03:44,020 --> 00:03:49,940 John: handle this. I say now. Okay. Right. So just a note about that, but we'll move on. I'm 00:03:49,940 --> 00:03:57,100 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:03:51,000 --> 00:04:01,000 John: hoping in the next month or two, I'll be able to finish this job because honestly, when 00:03:57,100 --> 00:04:00,660 John: the air conditioning is running in here, it really is quite pleasant. It's just I can't 00:04:00,660 --> 00:04:03,940 John: close the door because there's no exit hole. I got to cut one into the side of it, put 00:04:03,940 --> 00:04:07,580 John: the baffle boxes on. It's on the to-do list. Anyway. All right. So next bit of news that 00:04:07,580 --> 00:04:15,460 John: happened since last time is I finally have solar power back again at my house. I've got 00:04:15,460 --> 00:04:20,700 John: 10 kilowatts installed. I mean, technically it's 13.2 kilowatts of panels, and I've got 00:04:20,700 --> 00:04:26,820 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:28,000 John: 10 kilowatt three phase inverter. And it's a beautiful system. They're new panels. They've 00:04:26,820 --> 00:04:31,740 Vic: Mm. 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:45,000 John: been installed much better than the previous panels. And I'm producing something like 80. 00:04:31,740 --> 00:04:37,900 John: I think yesterday was a sunny day. I had 82 kilowatt hours in one day. Very impressive. 00:04:37,900 --> 00:04:44,620 John: So because I can't, yeah. Yeah. I could, yes. If I had batteries, I could run the house 00:04:44,620 --> 00:04:58,900 Vic: That sounds impressive. 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,000 Vic: For those of us that don't speak kilowatt hours, like, what are we looking at here? 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:53,000 Vic: Can you run the whole house with that, and for how long? 00:04:53,000 --> 00:05:00,000 John: indefinitely provided I was getting, yeah, I was getting, yeah, but I'd have to have 00:04:58,900 --> 00:05:04,740 Vic: Nice. 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:09,000 John: batteries that could do probably 20 kilowatt hour of storage, which I realized the whole 00:05:04,740 --> 00:05:12,420 Vic: Uh-huh. 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:21,000 John: thing with storage and capacity has all been messed up thanks to vehicles and stuff. So 00:05:12,420 --> 00:05:17,900 John: technically we measure things in amp hours and such because voltage determines power, 00:05:17,900 --> 00:05:22,780 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:44,000 John: but nevermind. Doesn't matter. Bottom line is I don't have batteries because they're 00:05:22,780 --> 00:05:27,420 John: a little bit pricey still. So maybe someday I'll get a power wall or more likely a cheaper, 00:05:27,420 --> 00:05:35,060 John: equally good Chinese version because they've got some really good ones coming out of China. 00:05:35,060 --> 00:05:40,100 John: Keeping in keeping note that my Tesla model three has Chinese battery packs in it. Right. 00:05:40,100 --> 00:05:45,180 Vic: Right, that's cool. 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,000 John: So the LFP anyway, nevermind. Yeah. Yep. That's right. So my last power bill, yeah. My last 00:05:45,180 --> 00:06:00,580 Vic: Do you, you at least have the thing like where your electric meter runs backwards sometimes, 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:53,000 Vic: and you get credit from the power company, right? 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,000 Vic: That's sweet. 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:09,000 John: power bill at this point in time for two months, I think my electricity's cost me a hundred 00:06:00,580 --> 00:06:06,380 John: bucks for two months, which previously it was costing me about $800. So the solar system 00:06:06,380 --> 00:06:13,660 John: is making an enormous difference. And I've been charging the car on solar just by using 00:06:13,660 --> 00:06:18,820 John: a bunch of automations, which are probably going to go away. And then I signed up to 00:06:18,820 --> 00:06:22,540 John: something that we're testing at work, which gives me 8 cents a kilowatt hour charging, 00:06:22,540 --> 00:06:27,180 John: which is pretty cool for my Tesla. But so yeah. But because I'm the sort of, well, a 00:06:27,180 --> 00:06:33,820 John: person that I am, I'm also going to go to my absolute limit as permitted by Queensland 00:06:33,820 --> 00:06:40,900 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,000 John: law, which is 15 kilowatts. So I've got another five kilowatt system I'm waiting for final 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:46,420 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:51,000 John: approval from the electricity authority that's Energex. So hopefully that gets approved in 00:06:46,420 --> 00:06:51,100 Vic: What's involved in that approval? 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,000 John: the next few weeks and installed sometime late February. That would be cool. And then 00:06:51,100 --> 00:06:55,860 Vic: You expect any, what's involved in that approval? 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,000 John: it'll, I'll have even more. Sorry. Well, no. So the story was that about a year ago, we 00:06:55,860 --> 00:07:07,140 Vic: Do you expect any trouble, or is it just formalities? 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:09,000 John: applied to have a 15 kilowatt system installed. Actually it was more like 18 months ago and 00:07:07,140 --> 00:07:12,900 John: Energex rejected it because our house, when we got three phase power connected, it was 00:07:12,900 --> 00:07:18,180 John: actually connected up by three independent phases, one from each path, one from each 00:07:18,180 --> 00:07:24,460 John: feeder that came through different physical pathways, which is a big no, no. You can do 00:07:24,460 --> 00:07:29,900 John: it, but you really shouldn't. You can get away with it in residential because generally 00:07:29,900 --> 00:07:34,540 John: you don't have balanced three phase machines. Whereas in an industrial environment, that 00:07:34,540 --> 00:07:39,660 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:59,000 John: would never work because you try and hook up phases A, B and C to an induction motor 00:07:39,660 --> 00:07:43,300 John: and it would just, you'd probably destroy the motor. So anyway, at some point they realized 00:07:43,300 --> 00:07:50,380 John: that that was only temporary and unbeknownst to us, we saw them doing a whole bunch of 00:07:50,380 --> 00:07:54,200 John: upgrades to transformers on like pole mount transformers on the streets. And we had power 00:07:54,200 --> 00:08:01,380 Vic: Right. 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:11,000 John: outages at our house, multiple power outages, and they pulled a new three phase cable into 00:08:01,380 --> 00:08:05,180 John: our house. And this all just happened. I didn't ask them to do it. They just did it, which 00:08:05,180 --> 00:08:10,500 John: is one of the great things about having an electricity authority that's actually on the 00:08:10,500 --> 00:08:14,740 John: ball and for all of the crap that people give Energex, they were on the ball and they were 00:08:14,740 --> 00:08:19,180 John: fixing up this hack job solution that they had. 00:08:19,180 --> 00:08:22,300 John: Now, as soon as they did that, of course, knowing what I know, I'm looking at the rating 00:08:22,300 --> 00:08:26,740 John: of the transformers because that's what people do when you walk down the street, you look 00:08:26,740 --> 00:08:30,020 John: up and you say, "Oh wow, that's 100 kVA and that's 150. Okay, interesting." Anyway, I 00:08:30,020 --> 00:08:36,780 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,000 Vic: I always do that. 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,000 John: know normal people. Yes, I know. Yeah, totally. Yeah. And then you run into the pole and you're 00:08:36,780 --> 00:08:43,500 Vic: Sometimes I get distracted staring at them while I'm driving. 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,000 John: like, "Oh, but yes." Anyhow, yeah. Anyway, listeners know that Vic has not done that, 00:08:43,500 --> 00:08:49,940 Vic: Right? 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:56,000 John: so I'm just kidding. Anyhow, moving on. 00:08:49,940 --> 00:08:53,900 John: So I went back to Energex with a new application and the rules had changed since I did the 00:08:53,900 --> 00:08:58,980 John: last application and I had to split the system into two pieces, a 10 kW and a 5 kW. And so 00:08:58,980 --> 00:09:05,580 John: the 10 kW got approved and the 5 kW got lost in the system. So the 10 kW got installed 00:09:05,580 --> 00:09:12,860 John: and I'm still waiting for the 5 kW. Now, because they've upgraded all of the backend, it should 00:09:12,860 --> 00:09:18,300 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:25,000 John: just go ahead. It should, but I don't know what's going to happen. We'll see. So hopefully, 00:09:18,300 --> 00:09:28,420 Vic: Right. 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:32,000 John: we'll find out soon. Hopefully, it is just a formality. All right? 00:09:28,420 --> 00:09:35,900 Vic: That's cool, that's cool. 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:45,000 John: The one thing I did do, creatively speaking at least, over the break, the Christmas holidays, 00:09:35,900 --> 00:09:41,060 John: is I did an episode of Pragmatic Electric, which I hadn't done in a while. I did an episode 00:09:41,060 --> 00:09:46,260 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:56,000 John: of... So now I made 10 episodes of Pragmatic Electric. That is a video version of this 00:09:46,260 --> 00:09:50,620 John: podcast about DC charging infrastructure. This particular episode is very locally focused. 00:09:50,620 --> 00:09:58,300 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:11,000 John: So if you're not in Southeast Queensland or even Queensland as the state, you're probably 00:09:58,300 --> 00:10:04,340 John: not going to care. But it's really been wonderful to see there's been a massive rollout of charging 00:10:04,340 --> 00:10:10,880 John: infrastructure. Well, you can certainly do that, and I would 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:15,740 Vic: What if we wanna watch it just to see Chigi? 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,000 John: encourage you to do so. The video itself has had an enormous 49 views as of last night. 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:21,580 Vic: Okay. 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:38,000 John: I think I checked it was. So I've almost cracked 50 views. Anyway, it's not a big thing. It's 00:10:21,580 --> 00:10:27,300 John: just something to do to scratch that creativity itch and sort of thing. I figure that having 00:10:27,300 --> 00:10:32,620 John: that on this show and going into all those details is probably not of very much interest 00:10:32,620 --> 00:10:36,420 John: to the audience of this particular podcast. So if you want to, there'll be a link in the 00:10:36,420 --> 00:10:40,500 Vic: Mm. 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:43,000 John: show notes. Feel free to check it out. When I was doing... Why thank you, Vic. Oh, dear. 00:10:40,500 --> 00:10:52,900 Vic: I'll post about it. 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,000 Vic: Should get you at least two, three more views. 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,000 Vic: I do what I can, man. 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,000 John: Oh, no, I know. It's awesome. So honestly, I just wanted to say about EVs, I came across 00:10:52,900 --> 00:10:59,860 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:10:53,000 --> 00:11:17,000 John: this in the last couple of weeks. I've been back at work now for two through three weeks 00:10:59,860 --> 00:11:06,940 John: now. So I only had that one week over Christmas, a week and a half. You take the days off between 00:11:06,940 --> 00:11:13,060 John: Christmas Day and New Year's Day and call it a holiday when it's really not because 00:11:13,060 --> 00:11:20,140 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:23,000 John: you're running around going to family events and you're like, "Yeah, okay." Anyway, no, 00:11:20,140 --> 00:11:26,500 Vic: There's not a lot of rest involved. 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:29,000 John: that's the problem. I want a holiday where I can rest. Anyway, it's all good, really. 00:11:26,500 --> 00:11:32,940 Vic: Right. 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:45,000 John: All right. So I came across this article because there's a lot of electric vehicle hate, I 00:11:32,940 --> 00:11:40,060 John: would say. I think it's a fair way of putting it. And so the hate is going to hate, hate, 00:11:40,060 --> 00:11:44,620 John: hate, said Tay Tay. And anyway, yeah, so EV fires, they're like, "Oh, electric cars, they 00:11:44,620 --> 00:11:54,340 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:56,000 John: catch on fire a lot and they're really, really dangerous," and so on and so forth. And I 00:11:54,340 --> 00:11:58,380 John: always suspected that was BS because the number of cars I've seen on the side of a road that 00:11:58,380 --> 00:12:04,220 John: have burnt out, and even one time I drove past a car that was currently on fire, gasoline 00:12:04,220 --> 00:12:12,180 Vic: I was gonna say, I'll bet it ran on some sort of dinosaur fuel. 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,000 John: powered, petrol powered car. Yeah, exactly. People don't realize that they forget. And 00:12:12,180 --> 00:12:21,140 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:27,000 John: I know that when they went away from single skin to double skin fuel tanks, and there 00:12:21,140 --> 00:12:28,860 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:42,000 John: are improvements to the placing of fuel lines and everything in a car and fuel injectors 00:12:28,860 --> 00:12:33,940 John: versus carburetors, and that they're all incremental improvements in safety and such for resilience. 00:12:33,940 --> 00:12:40,020 John: Firewalls, for example, for protecting occupants and so on. But the bottom line is that I found 00:12:40,020 --> 00:12:47,140 Vic: Mm. 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:53,000 John: an article, I mean, it is an Australian article that's referencing an American study. So the 00:12:47,140 --> 00:12:52,780 John: link is to the Australian article, but the American study that this came from is in there 00:12:52,780 --> 00:12:58,740 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:12:53,000 --> 00:13:05,000 John: anyway. So they found that petrol and diesel vehicles experienced 1,530 fires per 100,000 00:12:58,740 --> 00:13:05,300 Vic: Right. 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,000 John: vehicles, whereas only 25 out of 100,000 electric vehicles caught fire. That's fully electric 00:13:05,300 --> 00:13:11,060 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:12,000 John: vehicles too. So I think that that's good to clear up some fear, uncertainty, and doubt 00:13:11,060 --> 00:13:18,660 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:38,000 John: that's often spread about electric vehicles. But of course, me being me, it's not entirely 00:13:18,660 --> 00:13:23,020 John: that simple. And I kind of know that because that's not fair from the point of view of 00:13:23,020 --> 00:13:28,180 John: there's no breakdown of the age of those cars. So the chances that a brand new car that's 00:13:28,180 --> 00:13:33,540 John: gasoline powered is going to catch on fire is much lower than one that's 10 years old. 00:13:33,540 --> 00:13:36,900 John: I think that's fair to say, because like rubber deteriorates and damage happens. So the number 00:13:36,900 --> 00:13:44,980 Vic: Correct. 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:52,000 John: of electric vehicles out there would not be 10 years old. I mean, there'd be some that 00:13:44,980 --> 00:13:49,380 John: are 10 years old, absolutely, but there would not be very many. So yeah, you're not going 00:13:49,380 --> 00:13:55,220 Vic: A few tests, listen, search, yeah. 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,000 Vic: Yeah. 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:05,000 John: to have a 10 year old, well, you're going to have some 10 year old Teslas because the 00:13:55,220 --> 00:13:59,740 John: first Model S was sold in 2014. So you will actually, but you're not going to have that 00:13:59,740 --> 00:14:04,180 John: many. So saying like a hundred thousand new cars of either type, it's like that. So I 00:14:04,180 --> 00:14:14,100 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:28,000 John: realize there's a flaw in that. And I suspect the number of EVs that are of the same age 00:14:14,100 --> 00:14:19,940 John: would actually have more than 25 out of a hundred thousand vehicles would have caught 00:14:19,940 --> 00:14:24,460 John: fire. I don't think it'd be like an order of magnitude or two orders of magnitude more, 00:14:24,460 --> 00:14:30,540 Vic: Mm. 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,000 John: but it would certainly be a lot more, but it should still be less. Yeah, exactly. You 00:14:30,540 --> 00:14:47,940 Vic: Maybe. 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,000 Vic: Yeah. 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,000 Vic: I mean, well, the bottom line is, you know, when you're talking about petrol and diesel vehicles, I mean, the principle behind the whole thing is that the stuff is flammable. 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:45,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,000 John: light that stuff up, it goes bang inside an enclosed space, drives a piston, makes you 00:14:47,940 --> 00:14:52,500 Vic: Yeah. 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:57,000 John: go. Yeah. So it's kind of like, "Hmm, is this stuff volatile?" Anyway. But I mean, this 00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:59,260 Vic: Yeah. 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:14,000 John: is the thing that people need to get a grip on. And that is that any device that's capable 00:14:59,260 --> 00:15:03,660 John: of storing energy is capable of releasing that energy in a very rapid fashion if something 00:15:03,660 --> 00:15:10,980 John: goes wrong. And that something that goes wrong will vary depending upon the technology. Like 00:15:10,980 --> 00:15:15,260 Vic: Right. 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:20,000 John: in a new case of a nuclear reactor, just pull all the control rods out and see what happens. 00:15:15,260 --> 00:15:19,060 John: They did that at Chernobyl and it went real well. Anyway. Indeed. Indeed. All right. And 00:15:19,060 --> 00:15:31,780 Vic: No, no, I saw some things that taught me that was not a good thing to do. 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:26,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:39,000 John: speaking of electric vehicles, one of the long anticipated vehicles from Tesla finally 00:15:31,780 --> 00:15:37,220 John: got released since we last spoke. And that is the Cybertruck. What are your thoughts 00:15:37,220 --> 00:15:43,060 Vic: Oh, boy. 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,000 Vic: No. 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,000 John: and thoughts on the Cybertruck, Vic? Yeah. Yeah. See, I 00:15:43,060 --> 00:16:13,020 Vic: I, mm, that thing is god awful ugly, man. 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,000 Vic: It's just god awful. 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,000 Vic: If I were in the market, I am actually in the market for a pickup truck. 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,000 Vic: I'm sorry, Scott, because he's going to hate to hear that because it's been a point of contention. 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:01,000 Vic: But if I were in the market for an EV truck, I've actually been pretty impressed with the Chevy Silverado EV. 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:09,000 Vic: The Cybertruck is god awful ugly, man. 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:26,000 John: think that the problem with the Cybertruck and its looks is that if you're trying to 00:16:13,020 --> 00:16:18,140 John: go for mass adoption, having something that is that striking and that polarizing, that's 00:16:18,140 --> 00:16:25,020 John: going to work against you because you're going to be trying to normalize and get... It does. 00:16:25,020 --> 00:16:32,860 Vic: It looks like it's from a Mad Max movie, man. 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,000 John: It does a bit, yeah. I'd say more Blade Runner, but I mean, the reality is that, well, yeah, 00:16:32,860 --> 00:16:39,660 Vic: Oh, that's the same difference. 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,000 Vic: I mean, not the same difference, but, you know, yeah. 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,000 John: it has some things in common. I mean, I guess my point is if in fact you're trying to get 00:16:39,660 --> 00:16:46,060 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:52,000 John: as many of these out there as possible to solve the, "I want to build a truck, that 00:16:46,060 --> 00:16:52,300 John: pickup truck that the majority of Americans are going to want to buy instead of their 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:56,420 John: traditional gasoline powered counterparts," making it look like something like that is 00:16:56,420 --> 00:17:02,140 John: probably not... Making it look like something that's completely fundamentally different, 00:17:02,140 --> 00:17:07,620 John: you then force people who would ordinarily buy a Chevy Silverado or a Ford F-150, and 00:17:07,620 --> 00:17:14,620 John: they're going to look at this and they're going to say, "This thing looks terrible. 00:17:14,620 --> 00:17:16,860 John: I'm not buying that crap." People that buy pickup trucks don't always buy them because 00:17:16,860 --> 00:17:22,300 John: they want to be looked at. They buy them because they're practical and they're a truck. They 00:17:22,300 --> 00:17:28,700 John: don't have to have a presence. You know what I mean? I don't know. Some people get off 00:17:28,700 --> 00:17:33,820 John: on people staring at them. When I first got my Model 3 here in Australia, 00:17:33,820 --> 00:17:39,100 John: it was the first few months that the Model 3 was available. I was not the first. I was 00:17:39,100 --> 00:17:44,300 John: probably the... In Queensland, I was probably in the first thousand or two. It's not like 00:17:44,300 --> 00:17:53,420 John: you're... How do I put this? It's like I did get people staring at me and waving and pointing 00:17:53,420 --> 00:18:01,540 John: for the first few months, but after six months, there were so many of them on the road, it 00:18:01,540 --> 00:18:05,820 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,000 John: just stopped. The Cybertruck strikes me as the sort of car that because it is so different, 00:18:05,820 --> 00:18:12,180 Vic: Right. 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:17,000 John: you're going to get that for years. Some people don't want that. It made me feel a bit uncomfortable 00:18:12,180 --> 00:18:16,540 John: sometimes because I'm just trying to go to the shops, mate. Don't stop me and have a 00:18:16,540 --> 00:18:21,580 Vic: Right. 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:26,000 John: conversation about my car. I just want to go and buy some butter. What gives? 00:18:21,580 --> 00:18:27,660 Vic: Yeah. 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:37,000 John: Anyway. Yeah. So, bottom line, Cybertruck is on sale. A part of me wants one. A part 00:18:27,660 --> 00:18:34,100 John: of me measured their garage. Oh, actually, no. That was a... Yeah. I guess technically 00:18:34,100 --> 00:18:38,540 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:43,000 John: it was a part of me and the measuring tape. I measured my garage and it won't fit. It'll 00:18:38,540 --> 00:18:44,380 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,000 John: fit in my shed. Just. But yeah, it's a beast of a thing, eh? It's a beast of a thing. Honestly, 00:18:44,380 --> 00:18:55,260 Vic: Yeah. 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:58,000 John: American pickup trucks are insanely huge. There's so few places in Australia where those 00:18:55,260 --> 00:19:02,340 John: cars would fit because all of our cars are all based on... We did have bigger cars for 00:19:02,340 --> 00:19:09,100 John: a while. Australian-made cars were bigger, but the Japanese won out because the Japanese 00:19:09,100 --> 00:19:14,860 John: cars were, quite frankly, cheaper, more reliable, and more economical. So, that's why people 00:19:14,860 --> 00:19:21,020 John: went for them. So, more than, I think, 60% of the cars that we have in Australia are 00:19:21,020 --> 00:19:26,900 John: Japanese and those cars are just smaller by design. So, these big American pickups, we 00:19:26,900 --> 00:19:32,500 John: look at them and they won't fit in 80, 90% of the car parks, unless you go into the handful 00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:38,340 John: of Costco's that are out there. There's a handful of other newer shopping centers that 00:19:38,340 --> 00:19:42,060 John: got wider car park spaces for them. But otherwise, you'll park in a car park and you don't have 00:19:42,060 --> 00:19:46,980 John: to take up two spots. Otherwise, you won't be able to open the doors to get out. It's 00:19:46,980 --> 00:19:50,260 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:53,000 John: just not going to work. So, anyway. I would like one, I think. Yeah, well, maybe. Good 00:19:50,260 --> 00:20:06,180 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:19:53,000 --> 00:20:03,000 John: luck scratching that thing. I tell you what, though, if it does get scratched, good luck 00:20:06,180 --> 00:20:10,260 John: getting a scratch out. Oh, funny thing. You know what? As much as people like to take 00:20:10,260 --> 00:20:19,180 John: the piss out of Tesla, they are so good at taking the piss out of themselves. It's like 00:20:19,180 --> 00:20:24,620 John: on the touchscreen in the Tesla, you can actually open up a page on there that shows you an 00:20:24,620 --> 00:20:31,780 John: isometric view of your car and you can spin the car around and just have a look at it 00:20:31,780 --> 00:20:36,380 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:41,000 John: and it's like, "Oh, that's kind of cool." Like a 3D model sort of thing, right? And 00:20:36,380 --> 00:20:41,260 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:51,000 John: on the Cybertruck, they have exactly the same thing. But there's a hidden Easter egg in 00:20:41,260 --> 00:20:46,060 John: the Cybertruck. If you actually go into the Cybertruck's 3D model and you tap and keep 00:20:46,060 --> 00:20:52,140 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,000 John: tapping on the glass, on the side window glass, it smashes. It comes up and it goes, "Yeah." 00:20:52,140 --> 00:21:00,780 Vic: Does it break? 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,000 Vic: Nice. 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,000 Vic: Well, at least I've got a sense of humor. 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,000 John: It's like so good. And you can buy. I know, right? It's like for all the crap that people 00:21:00,780 --> 00:21:06,980 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:12,000 John: lay on Tesla and everything and Elon Musk's an idiot and whatever the hell people say, 00:21:06,980 --> 00:21:11,980 John: it's like the haters are going to hate, but you can't deny the fact that at least they 00:21:11,980 --> 00:21:16,740 John: don't try to bury stuff. At least they're being honest and they're owning it. And I 00:21:16,740 --> 00:21:20,700 John: respect that. It takes a certain kind of company attitude to be able to laugh at yourself and 00:21:20,700 --> 00:21:28,500 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:34,000 John: say, "Maybe throwing a massive ball bearing into the glass was not a good demo to do on 00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:33,020 John: the live stage." Anyway, it's so funny. And it wasn't scripted, eh? It wasn't. Because 00:21:33,020 --> 00:21:41,580 Vic: No, it was not. 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:44,000 John: Elon Musk is like, "Oh my f***ing God." The look on his face, he's been saying, "Yeah, 00:21:41,580 --> 00:21:48,660 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,000 John: it's bulletproof." Oh my f***ing God. No, no, no, no. Anyway, moving on. Now, last time 00:21:48,660 --> 00:22:00,220 Vic: I can't imagine any circumstances where they would have done that on purpose. 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:21:53,000 --> 00:22:06,000 John: we spoke on Is This The Show, which is episode five, I was complaining about a whole bunch 00:22:00,220 --> 00:22:05,460 John: of stuff. Specifically, one of them though, I was complaining about Nova. And I was saying, 00:22:05,460 --> 00:22:11,980 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:16,000 John: "Oh, yeah, I can't really justify buying Nova because it's expensive. It's like $9.99 US 00:22:11,980 --> 00:22:20,620 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:29,000 John: and every year if I want updates, I got to pay it again. I don't know how I should get 00:22:20,620 --> 00:22:24,060 John: use out of it." Well, the truth is that once I configured it the way I liked it, I kept 00:22:24,060 --> 00:22:31,980 Vic: Uh-huh. 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,000 John: using it and then I kept using it. And then I'm like, "Damn, this is so good." And so 00:22:31,980 --> 00:22:39,740 Vic: It's really nice, John. 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,000 Vic: It's really nice. 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:42,000 John: I bought it. I caved in and I bought it. And I don't regret it. It's... yeah. Oh no. Oh 00:22:39,740 --> 00:22:58,460 Vic: It's a great text editor. 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,000 Vic: You've got terminals built in local and remote. 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,000 Vic: You've got local and remote file browsers built in. 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,000 Vic: It's basically got transmit built in, honestly. 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,000 Vic: It's just, it's really nice. 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,000 Vic: And there's a pretty good set of extensions and extension library for it. 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,000 John: yeah, it does. Yeah. It truly is amazing as an app. And it is honestly... yeah. I don't 00:22:58,460 --> 00:23:12,380 Vic: Depending on what you're working on, you can find a lot of things to help with that. 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:34,000 John: regret buying it now. Well, paying for it for 12 months. And it's been fantastic. Hasn't 00:23:12,380 --> 00:23:18,420 John: missed a beat. It doesn't chew up memory the way Adam did, which is great. And it gives 00:23:18,420 --> 00:23:24,820 John: me nicer choices and it's just easy to configure. And I'm not moving back. And the latest update, 00:23:24,820 --> 00:23:30,900 John: which I forget the version number of it, but the latest update, .8. I think it might be 00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:35,380 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,000 John: 10.8, whatever the latest update is. They really improved their Git integration as well. 00:23:35,380 --> 00:23:40,700 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,000 Vic: Yeah. 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,000 John: So you can have a look at your commit tree comments and branches and everything. And 00:23:40,700 --> 00:23:44,180 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,000 John: it is so sweet. All within Nova. So, yep. Hats off to Panic. Honestly, it is a great 00:23:44,180 --> 00:23:51,260 Vic: Yeah. 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:23:48,000 --> 00:24:00,000 John: app and it is worth it, I think. Even though I was humming and harring and I was annoyed 00:23:51,260 --> 00:23:55,580 John: at the time. I did it anyway. And the fact that I did it anyway is a testament to how 00:23:55,580 --> 00:24:00,060 Vic: Yeah. 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,000 John: good it is, I think. So, yes. Yeah. Yeah. No, it is a fantastic app. So I just wanted 00:24:00,060 --> 00:24:24,100 Vic: I mean, honestly speaking, the subscription pricing on it does kind of hurt. 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:06,000 Vic: But if you're gonna get use out of it and really appreciate it, 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:11,000 Vic: that's not too bad of a price for the kind of tool that it is. 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,000 Vic: It's very nice. 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,000 Vic: And it's just, nothing comes close to it to me. 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:22,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:46,000 John: to mention by way of, yes, I finally pulled the trigger and I rescind my previous frustration. 00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:30,060 John: I just did it. Anyway. All right. Moving on. So I want to start now talking about the first 00:24:30,060 --> 00:24:38,460 John: thing, which is last time we spoke on this show, we talked about my impending arrival 00:24:38,460 --> 00:24:44,580 John: of an iPhone 15 Pro Max. So, yes. So I did actually buy one only a few days afterwards, 00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:55,660 Vic: Correct. 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:58,000 John: after we recorded, I believe. So I know that was a few months ago, but I have been using 00:24:55,660 --> 00:25:01,940 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:28,000 John: my iPhone 15 Pro Max now for a couple of months, with its leather case. Sorry, guy. And it 00:25:01,940 --> 00:25:09,060 John: is, it's, I mean, honestly, of course I'm going to say this because the phone I have 00:25:09,060 --> 00:25:14,260 John: now is my favorite phone of all time. Like my favorite lens and the camera is the newest 00:25:14,260 --> 00:25:19,620 John: one I just bought. So, but this, this phone, my only complaint with the Max size has always 00:25:19,620 --> 00:25:26,060 John: been damn it's heavy. And so if I put it in shorts that I'm wearing and those shorts don't 00:25:26,060 --> 00:25:31,220 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:38,000 John: have like original elastic that actually holds up, it just, my pants start falling down, 00:25:31,220 --> 00:25:38,260 Vic: Mm. 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,000 John: it's, it's like, the thing is a brick. I didn't, no, no screw belts. I'll do belts for work. 00:25:38,260 --> 00:25:48,460 Vic: Gonna need a belt. 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,000 Vic: No. 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,000 John: That's it. Anyway, so, no, this is my back pocket. That is my back pocket. I'm talking 00:25:48,460 --> 00:25:59,500 Vic: Is it any better if you put it in your back pocket? 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,000 Vic: Sorry, Clay. 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,000 Vic: Okay, this is your back pocket. 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,000 Vic: All right, carry on. 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000 John: about my back pocket. Yeah. Anyway. All right. So bottom line is it is an amazing phone and 00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:05,940 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:15,000 John: comparing it to an iPhone 12, which is a three year jump, clearly I'm going to say that. 00:26:05,940 --> 00:26:11,300 John: So I've done a lot of video and I've done a lot of photos with it and I've been comparing 00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:17,660 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,000 John: them in so like daylight, low light conditions, yeah, both video and still photos in both. 00:26:17,660 --> 00:26:26,700 Vic: Oh. 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:32,000 John: And I've also been doing some spatial videos, which we'll talk about later on. But for the 00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:32,300 Vic: Okay. 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,000 John: moment, I guess my, my, my thinking, my thoughts on the camera is I was, I was buying it mainly 00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:41,220 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:56,000 John: for the ability to do zoomed in video so that I could take it into indoor sports without 00:26:41,220 --> 00:26:46,820 John: having to sign the damn waiver saying, yeah, here's a blood sample, here's a DNA sample, 00:26:46,820 --> 00:26:52,340 John: here's a whatever sample, you know, driver's license, sign your life away. So I can now 00:26:52,340 --> 00:26:57,940 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,000 John: go into these games and not have to worry about any of that, which is great. And there's 00:26:57,940 --> 00:27:02,660 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,000 Vic: Yeah. 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,000 Vic: I'm assuming we're talking about that new 5x lens. 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,000 John: plenty of other parents that do exactly what I do. Yes. Although for indoor, for indoor 00:27:02,660 --> 00:27:08,700 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:19,000 John: basketball, unless I'm right down the other end of the court, 2X is fine of the other 00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:13,780 John: end of the court and they're playing down the other end at the moment, then that's the 00:27:13,780 --> 00:27:16,740 John: only time I'd need the 5X. 2X is generally enough when I'm doing video. So 5X is great 00:27:16,740 --> 00:27:24,980 Vic: Mm. 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,000 Vic: That's cool. 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:35,000 John: for cricket. If I'm out in the boundary line, it gives passable video. It's not as good 00:27:24,980 --> 00:27:29,680 John: obviously as 300 or 400 mil lenses that I've had in the past for my other camera, but it 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:35,340 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,000 John: is much nicer video in my opinion, because they, all of Apple's, I don't know, they do 00:27:35,340 --> 00:27:46,220 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:47,000 John: a lot of video image processing and stuff. So they, they've got a lot of that. Whereas 00:27:46,220 --> 00:27:51,860 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:57,000 John: I don't think that the Nikon is as good at it. So I don't know, I don't know how to describe 00:27:51,860 --> 00:27:59,700 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:09,000 John: it, but 4K video out of my phone and 120 mil on the 5X is better than the equivalent out 00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:05,620 John: of my Nikon. So take what you will from that. The flip side of it though, is the photos, 00:28:05,620 --> 00:28:15,140 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:21,000 John: well they aren't. So in low light, in daylight conditions, it's not as, it's no contest in 00:28:15,140 --> 00:28:25,100 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:33,000 John: daylight conditions. I could use either and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. 00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:30,300 John: So having the Nikon there with me is not going to get me that much better a photo than I 00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:36,940 Vic: Yeah. 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:41,000 John: can take with my phone in good lighting conditions, which is great. But at nighttime, still photos 00:28:36,940 --> 00:28:44,620 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:49,000 John: on the iPhone 15 are absolutely terrible of moving action. It's just, you don't even bother. 00:28:44,620 --> 00:28:51,300 Vic: Right. 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:57,000 John: I tried it just to prove my point. There's just not enough light. It just, it just not 00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:56,820 John: enough. It will not work. Yeah, if you stay still, that's fine. If you're moving, it will 00:28:56,820 --> 00:29:10,500 Vic: Yeah. 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,000 Vic: I think all of their algorithms and stuff focus on still photography for low light. 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:05,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:12,000 John: simply be terrible. So there is no substitute for having a camera, like an 85 millimeter 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:19,100 Vic: Right. 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:32,000 John: F 1.8 lens. You will not beat that or a 70 to 200 F 2.8 or F2 if you're good enough to 00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:25,780 John: afford something like that. You cannot beat that if you're trying to take still photos 00:29:25,780 --> 00:29:31,460 John: in low light conditions. So that still wins, but for video, it's fine. And I suspect the 00:29:31,460 --> 00:29:37,200 Vic: Mm. 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:42,000 John: reason is because there's a lot of computational video going on in the background on the phone. 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:43,500 Vic: Mm. 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,000 John: So it'll probably comparing like previous frame to next frame and compensating for lighting 00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:49,200 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:50,000 John: levels and you'd, and if you do it, yeah. And if you actually pause and try and extract 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:55,380 Vic: Right. 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000 Vic: Just doing a lot of cleanup. 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:29:54,000 --> 00:30:19,000 John: a frame, it's no better than an, a still photo. So it's a little bit mind bending, but because 00:29:55,380 --> 00:30:01,260 John: you're, because it's moving video, the resolute, the sharpness of it is less apparent. So in 00:30:01,260 --> 00:30:09,340 John: any case, I'm happy with it in that regard, but it will never replace my Nikon for still 00:30:09,340 --> 00:30:15,380 John: photos in low light. It will never do it for sports, but that's okay. I kind of figured 00:30:15,380 --> 00:30:22,020 Vic: Mm. 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:36,000 John: that going in. But other than that, it's been a fantastic phone. It's, it is a little bit 00:30:22,020 --> 00:30:28,900 John: on the big and heavy side. The bigger screen has pluses and minuses. Obviously it's been 00:30:28,900 --> 00:30:34,040 John: well discussed on many, many by many people, but I did it for the 5X camera and I don't 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:39,020 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:48,000 John: regret that choice. So that is now my phone for the next three years. And yeah, so there 00:30:39,020 --> 00:30:44,780 John: you go. Any thoughts or questions? I do. I'm currently enjoying the USB-C for data transfer, 00:30:44,780 --> 00:30:54,880 Vic: You got USB-C, too. 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:58,000 John: but I, what I want to do is I want to invest in a USB thumb drive. I have, but my problem 00:30:54,880 --> 00:31:06,080 Vic: I was gonna say, have you tried the thing where you just basically offload your video directly to external storage yet? 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:05,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:11,000 John: is that none of my external drives have a fast enough write speed. They're all quite 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,180 John: old. I haven't bought a, an external drive recently. The only drive I bought recently 00:31:10,180 --> 00:31:15,600 Vic: Gotcha. 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:18,000 John: is connected to my lightning node and I can't really disconnect that and use it cause that 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:21,680 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:28,000 John: will, then I'll lose all of my, I'll lose my, I'll lose my SATs. So I can't use that 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,960 John: one. So I need to buy another one. Yeah, man, don't lose your SATs. But look, I, I need 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:33,520 Vic: Don't wanna lose your sets. 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,000 Vic: Yeah. 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:38,000 John: to go and buy one, but it's not just that simple because you also need to buy one that's 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,440 John: got the right shape. Cause the USB-C hole in the base of the, the case that I've got, 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:46,360 Vic: Mm. 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:45,000 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,000 John: it has an, it has like a certain shape to it. So if you don't get one that has a matching 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:51,240 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:52,000 John: shape, it won't fit. Yeah. Cause I tried, I've got a, I've got an adapter that does 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:58,080 Vic: Some of those are kind of a tight fit, aren't they? 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,000 Vic: Yeah. 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:02,000 John: USB-C to USB-A and it won't fit. Like it just won't fully insert when the case is on. And 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:05,080 Vic: Mm. 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:14,000 John: so I've been doing my research and everything. I just haven't taken the plunge yet. I need 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,640 John: a spare 60, 70 bucks. It's on the, it's on the wishlist, but not very high on the wishlist, 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,440 John: I guess. Alrighty. So we'll talk about special videos in a minute. Now I don't think I've 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:19,800 Vic: Right. 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:29,000 John: talked about my 3D adventures on this show with the, the, the Fujifilm FinePix Real 3D 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:26,800 John: camera. I talked about that on Is This The Show? So I just want to give a quick rundown 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:32,320 Vic: Mm. 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:41,000 John: of this. So in August last year, I bought myself a odd birthday present. I bought a, 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:38,880 John: a 3D camera, which was the most popular, highest rated 3D camera to date and like consumer 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:47,560 John: level. And this particular camera was notable for several reasons is it had a lenticular 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,560 John: display on the back. And it also allowed you to record video in 720p as well as take 3D 00:32:52,560 --> 00:33:01,280 John: photos. And it's, it was a, it's a beautiful camera. And I, when I bought it, I got it 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:07,160 John: secondhand at a, at a, a pawn shop, I suppose you would say. Secondhand store, whatever 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:14,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,000 John: you want to call it. Cost me about 200 something. I think it was 200 bucks. I forget now, something 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:19,720 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:26,000 John: like that anyway. And I didn't notice it in the store, but the left hand lens sensor has 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:25,520 John: a single vertical row of pixels that's dead, which you can compensate for in post-production, 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:31,480 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:32,000 John: but it's just annoying. But what I was doing is I was trying to prove to myself that 3D 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:37,280 Vic: All right. 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:44,000 John: videos were worth the trouble and 3D videos as well. And my son had at the time an Oculus 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:44,120 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:50,000 John: Quest 2 and the Oculus Quest 2 now they prefer that it's called a MetaQuest because of course 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:49,840 John: Meta bought it, AKA Facebook, AKA Zucker, whatever. Mark Zuckerberg, anyway. And so he, they, 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:58,640 Vic: Mm. 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,000 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:05,000 John: he basically said, "Here, borrow my head, my VR headset." And I wanted to test and see 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,440 John: whether or not it was actually worth it. So in order to convert the file formats on the 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:11,200 John: 3D camera, the Fuji one, they do their own format called MPO for their video files and 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:18,280 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:27,000 John: such. And the JPEGs are actually, when you open them, you can't tell that they are in 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,960 John: fact 3D photos. So you had to convert them into the, the generic, what they call side 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,600 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,000 John: by side format. So you basically get two images, one on the left, one on the right. So it looks 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,280 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:39,000 John: like a big, long rectangle. And anyway, so what I learned and there, there's an app called 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:39,560 John: Stereo Photomaker. It's only runs on Windows, but you can run as a crossover app on your 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,520 John: Mac, which is what I did. But I tried a whole bunch of them and that was the one I preferred. 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:49,400 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,000 John: In any case, I converted all the Fuji photos across into side by side, loaded them into 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:54,400 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:34:51,000 --> 00:35:01,000 John: this, this application on the, that I bought for the MetaQuest 2. And it's called Pegasus. 00:34:54,400 --> 00:35:04,040 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,000 John: So I think Pegasus, but with the word pig instead of peg. Anyway, so yeah, it's weird, 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:09,360 Vic: Mm. 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,000 Vic: Did you put lipstick on it? 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,000 John: but I did not put lipsticks on my Pegasus. No, I did not. I probably could have, but 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:14,920 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:16,000 John: you know, nevermind. Anyway, so I found that video was pretty much almost a waste of time 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:23,100 Vic: Okay. 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:23,000 Vic: Mm. 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,000 John: on that thing. Cause the depth issue, like if you didn't have the subject right up close 00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:28,240 Vic: Yeah. 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:37,000 John: to you and you're just taking 3D film of a scene in front of you, and there was like 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:34,480 John: a group of people that are playing cricket or they're just wandering around or doing 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:44,000 John: whatever, you lose that 3D effect. It's like, it's not very striking. It's not very compelling. 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,880 John: And when I took photos of an individual subject that was right up close to me, like within 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:49,160 Vic: Mm. 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,000 John: a few feet of the lens, that's when I'm like, whoa, this is, this is really impressive. 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:56,880 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:35:52,000 --> 00:36:02,000 John: Like it is very, very impressive. But I was looking at it on MetaQuest 2 and the MetaQuest 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:03,960 Vic: Yeah. 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,000 John: 2 does not have very good resolution at all. So I was really keen to see what it was like 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,720 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:14,000 John: a few months later when my son just, you know, basically caved in and bought himself a MetaQuest 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:13,760 John: 3, which is a much newer, much higher resolution, much better headset, but still not as good 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:21,860 Vic: Mm. 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:26,000 John: as an Apple Vision Pro, but certainly very, very good. And then as a comparative, I then 00:36:21,860 --> 00:36:28,260 John: loaded the same photos into the MetaQuest 3 and the ones that looked good on the MetaQuest 00:36:28,260 --> 00:36:34,280 John: 2 looked amazing on the MetaQuest 3. And I'm just like, okay, this is definitely something. 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:40,960 Vic: Yeah. 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,000 Vic: Yeah. 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,000 John: But the problem with this camera, yeah, I know. Oh, I know. Oh, it's awesome. I got 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:53,080 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:52,000 John: a hand-me-down of a MetaQuest 2 from my son. So that's the first time I've had a reverse 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:58,480 John: hand down. It's kind of cool. It's a hand-me-up. Anyway, so, so there's the, the, the thing 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:06,960 John: that's, the biggest problem I had with this camera was that the video it took was only 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,640 John: 720p. And this camera was made in 2012, 2010. It had no real decent image stabilization 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:21,520 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:27,000 John: at all. The dynamic range was, was terrible. And unless you're in really good light, it 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:26,320 John: was, it was grainy. It took amazing 3D photos, still photos was fantastic. And the interpupillary 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:33,760 Vic: Mm. 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:37,000 John: distance, the gap between the lenses and such to match your pupils on the Fuji was 75 millimeters, 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:39,760 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,000 John: which was actually what's recommended because it'll, it'll essentially be more the average 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:46,720 Vic: Mm. 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:49,000 John: for a human being. So what you're seeing will be more representative. Unfortunately, yes, 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:53,760 Vic: Like the spacing between your eyes. 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,000 John: exactly. So in any case, I was itching once I got the, because that was one of the decisions 00:37:53,760 --> 00:38:01,840 Vic: Yeah. 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:06,000 John: between getting the iPhone 15 Pro or Pro Max was the ability to take spatial videos. So 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:08,080 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:16,000 John: let's now talk a little bit about that. So one of the reasons I wanted to do it is because 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:13,680 John: I wanted to continue taking spatial videos or what Apple calls spatial videos, 3D videos. 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:20,360 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:28,000 John: Now the, the iPhone 15 Pro or Pro Max, the, the IPD, the distance between the lenses is 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:26,480 John: only 20 millimeters, which is nearly a quarter of what that is on the Fuji. And I was highly 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:32,960 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:43,000 John: skeptical. I mean, very, very, very skeptical that this would actually produce an effective 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:38,840 John: 3D, 3D effect. And on the, on the plus side, you know, it's integrated into a device that 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:49,600 Vic: Yeah. 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:38:45,000 --> 00:39:03,000 John: I don't have to, that I'll be with me anyway, most of the time. So unlike the Fuji, which 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,640 John: I got to take with me and make sure I charge it and all that other good stuff, the phone 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,040 John: will be with me at all times. So, you know, the best camera being the camera that you've 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,040 John: got on you, figure, you know, that's a, that's a, that's a positive. So you can do these, 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:08,000 Vic: Right. 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:15,000 John: these on the Pro and the Pro Max. And I actually installed the public beta before it was formally 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:13,220 John: released back in late 2023. And there's an app called Spatialify. It's currently in test 00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:21,140 John: flight and in iOS test flight, and you can convert your, your spatial video to side-by-side 00:39:21,140 --> 00:39:28,600 John: format, and then you can view it in any VR headset on the market. So that's exactly what 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,600 John: I did. You can also adjust the eye distance in the app between 20 millimeters and 70 millimeters. 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:38,580 John: It defaults to 36. I haven't actually played too much with that and looked at the resulting 00:39:38,580 --> 00:39:42,320 John: output, but I leaving it at the default of 36, the export looks fantastic and it's, it's 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:48,640 John: not an issue. So you can also support in half side-by-side, full side-by-side, which is 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:53,080 John: what I use, half over under and full over under, just different formats. But I ended 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:57,240 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:07,000 John: up using full side-by-side. It just worked best for the, for the Quest. Now, obviously 00:39:57,240 --> 00:40:02,720 John: these videos on Apple Vision Pro, they aren't going to require anything like that. It'll 00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:07,240 Vic: Right. 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,000 John: be fine as it is. So you don't need to worry about it. In any case. So yes. And the other 00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:14,520 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:19,000 John: thing that got me that I, it didn't occur to me at the time, cause I assumed, Oh, it 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:19,000 John: records 4k video. So you'll be recording 4k, you know, spatial videos. Not true. They're 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:24,320 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,000 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,000 John: only 1080p at 30 frames a second, which yeah. And I initially I'm like, Oh, that's ridiculous. 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:31,400 Vic: I was gonna say, that's what I thought I remembered. 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:38,000 John: Maybe they'll, they'll, they're doing this in steps and I'll do it as a software update 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,560 John: down the road. But then I sat down and did the math and I'm like, Oh yeah, okay, now 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,080 John: I get it. So the problem is that the iPhone 15 Pro and Pro Max, that whilst it has three 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:45,080 John: lenses, only two of them are genuinely side-by-side. So whilst you can correct algorithmically for 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:53,960 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:40:48,000 --> 00:41:16,000 John: having only 20 millimeters of IPD, it's more difficult in the vertical axis to correct 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:59,520 John: for it. So you're not going to use the zoom lens. So you end up using the one on the right 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:04,920 John: hand side. Well, when, when your phone lenses are pointing at the subject and the phone 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,120 John: screen is facing you, the one on the right hand side is the 48 megapixel, 24 millimeter 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:17,480 Vic: Right. 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,000 John: main camera. And the run on the left hand side is the ultra wide, which is only 12 megapixels. 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:23,080 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:38,000 John: So initially I thought, why? Well, you know, the one on the right hand side is 80, 64 by 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:28,760 John: 60, 48 raw. And I scale it down, of course, unless you want the raw. But in any case, 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:34,920 John: the ultra wide is 40, 32 by 30, 24. So you would think that there is enough pixels there 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:40,720 Vic: Yeah. 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:46,000 John: to do 38, 40 by 21, 60, which is 4k. But what you've got to do is compensate for the fact 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:47,440 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,000 John: that the focal lengths are completely different. It's almost 50%. It's almost half. So the 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:53,400 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:41:48,000 --> 00:42:14,000 John: ultra wide is 13 millimeters and the standard main is 24 millimeter effective. So that is 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:59,480 John: a problem. It means that basically you have to crop in on your 13 mil and that crop in 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:05,280 John: to meet, reach an equivalent of 24 millimeters is 2184 by 1638. So there's not enough vertical 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:14,160 Vic: Doesn't quite make it. 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,000 John: lines. No, you can't do 2160. You could interpolate, you could probably like do some weird computational 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:23,120 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:27,000 John: stuff, but the left hand side of it would be dodgy. So I think Apple just said, nah, 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:30,200 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,000 John: we'll just stick with 1920 by 1080. Now, the thing that got me though, when I was doing 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:36,880 Vic: Right. 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:43,000 John: all this investigation, Vic, and playing with it in the beta, I was like, oh, this video, 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:42,120 John: this is a cool thing, right? Because there's a little image, an icon of the Apple Vision 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:48,640 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:58,000 John: Pro and you can tap on that and it'll automatically default you into spatial video settings. But 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:54,480 John: you can only do that in video. You can't do that for a still photograph. And I'm like, 00:42:54,480 --> 00:43:01,200 Vic: Really? 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,000 John: yeah, why? Why not? I mean, I can take a 3D photo with my, yeah, I know, I can take a 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:08,960 Vic: That's a bummer. 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:28,000 John: 3D photo with my Fuji camera from 14 years old, 14 year old camera, and it looks great. 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:15,880 John: Why can't I do that with this camera? It's video only. Now, I don't know why, if I'm 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:22,600 John: missing something obvious, maybe I am, but I'm hoping that there'll be a software update. 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:35,960 Vic: It seems if they could get that pretty good for video, 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,000 Vic: then a still photo should be easier, I would think. 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,000 John: I would think too, and I don't get it. I suspect that it'll come down the road, but I just, 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:42,800 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:47,000 John: I don't get it. I don't get it. So maybe I'm missing something obvious. I don't think so. 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:48,280 Vic: Yeah. 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:56,000 John: So we'll see what happens with that. But most interested in this focus on what it can do, 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:54,000 John: which is the video. So as I said, my son purchased a MetaQuest 3, and again, the resolution is 00:43:54,000 --> 00:44:01,480 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:25,000 John: fantastic. So I took and went through the same exercise, but unlike stereo photo maker, 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:08,840 John: Spotify is actually super easy to use. You basically just say, open up my photo library 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:14,160 John: and it'll show you all the photos that are spatial, I'm sorry, videos that are spatial, 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,680 John: and you just select one and choose the export format and away you go. I just put those onto 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:24,420 John: my Synology. So I load all of these, yeah, I load all my videos onto the Synology in 00:44:24,420 --> 00:44:32,080 Vic: That's cool. 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:44,000 John: the control, you go into the control panel and you go to the media indexing and you re-index 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,960 John: the video folder. And then it magically shows up in the DLNA UPnP folder in Pegasus. And 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:46,160 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:56,000 John: then you can just look at the videos. So honestly, I got, I was saying I crept up on my son. 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:54,960 John: So my son was cooking something in the kitchen and I walked up to him taking a spatial video 00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:00,240 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:18,000 John: and I was getting close to him and he had the spatula and he was all, the egg flipper, 00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:04,960 John: I should say. And he was, you know, he had the flip of thing anyway. And I said, Oh, 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:10,120 John: Hey, Hey Ben, I'm trying the spatial video thing. And he gets the spatula and he comes 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,680 John: up and he's waving it right in front of my face. And I'm like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. You 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:20,720 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:37,000 John: know, okay, let's just, you know, back off. It's all good, mate. Anyway. So then I go 00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:24,040 John: and put that video in the MetaQuest 3 and I'm watching it and it pops in my face so 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:30,160 John: much. It felt very much like, you know, my son was essentially going to whack me in the 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:35,760 John: face with the flipper. And so it was mind-blowingly impressive. It was seriously, honestly, and 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:45,440 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:52,000 John: because it was 1080p and it was on a MetaQuest 3, the quality was exceptionally good. And 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:53,000 Vic: That's cool. 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,000 John: it's more, yeah, it's more or less at that point where I'm like, I may not get one immediately, 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:59,840 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:45:54,000 --> 00:46:06,000 John: but I know I will eventually get an Apple Vision Pro because it will look even more 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,920 John: amazing. I have no doubt about that. It's just, wow. You know? So, but the same learnings 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:11,240 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:25,000 John: from the Fujifilm apply here because the laws of physics are the laws of physics. Like you 00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:15,240 John: need to get close enough to the subject such that that extra eye view gets depth perception. 00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:21,240 John: The further away you go, trigonometry tells you the angle gets too low. Yeah. And you 00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:26,600 Vic: You lose that. 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,000 John: lose that depth. And there's just nothing you can do about it. It's just physics. So 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:31,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:37,000 John: honestly, Vic, I'm thoroughly impressed. But the questions I have, well, that's what I 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:41,320 Vic: I wonder if they'll ever start putting a camera lens on each end of the phone for that. 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,000 John: thought they would do. And we talked about this a month ago, maybe even a year ago. And 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,760 Vic: Yeah. 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:46:45,000 --> 00:47:05,000 John: I said that it was inevitable that they were going to introduce 3D video recording and 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,760 John: photo photography on iPhones to make people want an Apple Vision Pro, which is exactly 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:56,440 John: what they did. I mean, I'm not claiming that was like, oh, hey, I predicted the future 00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,560 John: because it was so bleedingly obvious if you didn't see that and you just weren't thinking 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,480 John: about it. But the problem is that what I got wrong is, well, why didn't they do that for 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:09,960 Vic: Right. 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:13,000 John: still photos? And the other thing is, why only 1080p? So, and I'm stunned when they 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:16,280 Vic: Right. 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:26,000 John: put those lenses so close together, because clearly what they're doing is they've said, 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,280 John: well, we want our lenses in a lens cluster and we'll just compute our way out of it. 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:26,000 John: So I think that if you were to have them on extreme ends of the phone, I think it would 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:33,200 Vic: Mm, yeah. 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:46,000 John: actually give you slightly better 3D representation. But maybe they just figured in all of their 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:39,200 John: testing that computationally they can adjust the IPD and they get information that's good 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:45,360 John: enough. I don't think computation can solve the problem because it's like the whole, if 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:50,240 Vic: Yeah, well. 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:58,000 John: you close your left eye and then you close your right eye, you will see different information 00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:53,840 John: because different light from a different angle is hitting the 3D, coming off the 3D object 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,440 John: you're looking at. You can't fake that. You can't. Yeah. So, you know what I mean? It's 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:03,360 Vic: Right. 00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,000 Vic: Right. 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,000 John: like, it's, yeah, it's never going to be quite as good, but you know what? Irrespective, 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:09,440 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:10,000 John: I was, yeah, I know, right. It'll be uneven, uneven, I tell you. Bottom line is that I 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:20,480 Vic: But the ugliness of two camera bumps, John. 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:23,000 John: am absolutely pumped, excited about the Apple Vision Pro just for this feature alone. And 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:28,200 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:34,000 John: I know that there's so much more that it can do, but for me, this is its killer feature. 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:33,240 John: It always was. I just needed to satisfy myself that it was worth it. And I think it is, even 00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:39,000 Vic: Right. 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,000 John: though I haven't tried Apple Vision Pro yet, I know that the step up from the Quest 2 to 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,280 Vic: Mm. 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:59,000 John: the Quest 3 was massive. And the step up from the Quest 3 to the Apple Vision Pro, reportedly 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:49,280 John: by people that have used it, is a step up again. So I have no doubt whatsoever that 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,140 John: one of these is in my future. I just don't know how far down the road and which kidney 00:48:54,140 --> 00:48:57,760 John: I'm selling. But anyway. I could, yeah, I could do that too. It's only a question of 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:07,880 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,000 Vic: Thought you were gonna say which kid you're selling first. 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,000 Vic: Hm. 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,000 John: which is more painful. And I'm like, hmm, maybe selling the kid is less painful. We'll 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:16,480 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:13,000 Vic: The one of mine, yeah. 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:29,000 John: see. Dear me. But anyway, so I guess we can talk a little bit also about the, because 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:24,640 John: when I was doing the notes for this, the Apple Vision Pro had not actually been released 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:29,040 Vic: Right. 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,000 John: yet for sale. Now it's up for sale. Yeah, that's right. Have you had a chance to have 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:36,360 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:38,000 John: a look through the updated website? Why is Scott convinced you'll buy it? That is, do 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:55,240 Vic: No, not really. 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,000 Vic: I actually don't have a ton of interest in this product. 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,000 Vic: Although, Scott is convinced I'm going to buy one, but I don't really have a ton of interest in it. 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:48,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,000 Vic: Because I buy everything Apple makes. 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:58,000 John: you have a Pro Display XDR? Do you have a Mac Pro? Anyway, rather than Scott not be 00:49:55,240 --> 00:50:07,840 Vic: I do not. 00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,000 Vic: I actually have a lot of things Apple makes I don't have. 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,000 Vic: I do not. 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:18,000 John: in the room to defend himself, I'm sure he has his reasons for thinking this. But irrespective, 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:13,680 John: I went on the website yesterday and had a bit of a scour through it. And they've got 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:18,880 Vic: Mm. 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,000 John: a couple of videos up there, like the making of it, which is always fun to watch the making 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,480 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:29,000 John: of videos. And so the making of this thing is like, oh, cool, that's how they do that. 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,840 John: And oh, wow, that seems excessive and over the top, but whatever. And yeah, so a little 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:32,840 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:50,000 John: minute and a half thing about the making of the Apple Vision Pro, and it all looks very 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,840 John: cool. But the one that's also interesting is there's a seven, eight, nine minute video, 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:41,480 John: I forget what it is. It's like introducing Apple Vision Pro. And it's supposedly the 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:46,800 John: first time this person has used it. So there's, I forget her name, Alexandra or something 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:52,440 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:50:51,000 --> 00:51:00,000 John: like that, whatever her name is, introducing it to this guy. And this guy apparently never 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:58,600 John: used it before. And so she's like, well, you look at this and you do that and you do this 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,760 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:14,000 John: and you do that. And it's a bit cringy, but it kind of gets the point across. Because 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:08,680 John: I had wondered, well, how do you adjust the screen size? How do you move the windows around? 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:14,640 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,000 John: And it's like, okay, so you look at the corner and then the control will magically appear 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:20,400 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:25,000 John: and then you pinch and grab it as you're looking at it. And then you can drag to increase the 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,360 John: size of whatever. And it's like little details like this that aren't obvious from the previous 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,660 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:38,000 John: videos at WWDC, they walk through some of those basics. So that'll definitely help when 00:51:29,660 --> 00:51:34,920 John: people go to use this thing and understanding how to use it. 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,920 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,000 John: So that was good. I watched that whole thing twice just to get my head around it and it 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:45,120 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:54,000 John: all looks pretty good. But yeah, going through the order page. So there's three models. You 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:50,320 John: can get a 256 gig, 512 gig and one terabyte model. Obviously each model as you go up has 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:57,400 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:04,000 John: a new insane step up in price because Apple storage rip off, blah, blah, blah. Of course, 00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:08,320 Vic: Right. 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,000 Vic: Yeah. 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:18,000 John: of course. I mean, they're consistent, they're consistent and no, I'm not going to get anything 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,800 John: more than a 256 gig. You gotta be kidding me. I don't care. I will cycle through stuff 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,560 John: before I pay those prices. Thank you very much. Anyway. So the other, I don't have a 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:26,320 Vic: Yeah. 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,000 Vic: Just curious, what is the one terabyte? 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,000 John: lot of stuff in front of me, but, and yeah. You may have to scan your face. It won't let 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:38,240 Vic: Hold on a second, I'm looking. 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,000 Vic: Get started. 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,000 Vic: I'll grab an iPhone. 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,000 Vic: I don't want to grab an iPhone to find the right. 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,000 Vic: I, no, I don't want to scan my face. 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,000 Vic: I can't. 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,000 Vic: Mm. 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,000 John: you. So this is the thing, right? Is that, so when you do this, there's an app clip. 00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:53,320 Vic: Wait, wait, wait, one terabyte, 38.99. 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,000 Vic: Jeez. 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,000 Vic: I think that's a better, better price than the laptops. 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:53,000 Vic: 34.99, 36.99, and 38.99. 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:58,000 John: It is, but it's still not worth it. We can buy one terabyte solid state drive for under 00:52:53,320 --> 00:53:03,160 Vic: But I agree, it's not worth it. 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,000 Vic: I, yeah, I know. 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,000 John: a hundred bucks. Please, you know, no, just no. Anyway. All right. So the, yeah, what 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:10,360 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:33,000 John: was I going to say? Yeah, right. So the, the Apple vision pro website, when you log into 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:15,760 John: on Apple, when you go to the Apple website, there's an app clip. And so you hold your 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,920 John: phone up to the app clip. It downloads this app clip, and then it just scans your face. 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:24,520 John: And it's very analogous. If you've got a phone has to have face ID. If you've done the face 00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:29,560 John: ID set up, that's all it is. It's effectively the same kind of thing. And you just got to 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:34,200 Vic: Mm. 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:44,000 John: move your head around in a couple of times. And it says, yep, I got your face. And I was 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,520 John: like, great, please don't do anything dodgy with that. And Apple says, yep, we've picked 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,840 John: your light shield. And they're not going to tell you what the hell the light shield is, 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,560 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:53:44,000 --> 00:54:09,000 John: but you know, just trust us, you know, good one. Great. Anyway. So once you've done that, 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:52,400 John: then you go through and you select the option that you want. And then you can talk about 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,680 John: your lenses. Now, the thing that's interesting is that they say very clearly in there that 00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:00,800 John: the Zeiss inserts will not work if you have a prism setting on your lens and your glasses 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:07,680 John: prescription. Now, unfortunately for me, I lost my, it, yeah, the, the problem is it's, 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:15,120 Vic: What does that mean? 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:17,000 John: I think it's a barrel correction for barrel distortion. So I didn't have time to look 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:21,760 Vic: Mm. 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:26,000 John: into this before the show, cause I only went up, you know, I only looked at this yesterday, 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,920 John: but and I was busy yesterday, but yeah, at this stage, my understanding is if you've 00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:29,720 Vic: Right. 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:44,000 John: got multifocal lenses, it's probably going to be an issue. If you wear glasses for distance 00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:36,000 John: viewing or for reading, it's not a problem, but if you've got multifocals, it's going 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,480 John: to be an issue. So they basically said, if you've got a prism value, then you basically, 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:46,640 Vic: Mm. 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,000 John: you can't get a lens for it. Sorry. So I don't know the jury's out as to how this is going 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:53,800 Vic: Yeah. 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:54,000 John: to work. Correct. Yeah. So Syracuse's eyes rather like mine we have two scripts, one 00:54:53,800 --> 00:55:05,080 Vic: This is like where Syracuse was talking about, 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,000 Vic: which of my prescriptions do I need? 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,000 Vic: Yeah. 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:09,000 John: for distance viewing and one for up close, or in his case, one for computer work which, 00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:10,320 Vic: Right. 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:17,000 John: you know, so the way that a lot of people with this condition, you know, which is just 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:15,680 John: called getting old, I guess everybody, oh dear, it's an inevitable condition for most 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:29,120 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:22,000 Vic: It's a condition we all have. 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:33,000 John: of us, you know? Oh my God. Anyway, nevermind. Nevermind at all. Anyhow. Yeah. Anyway. So 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:37,160 Vic: Yeah. 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:54,000 John: yeah, we, so you can get contact lenses for your distance vision correction, and then 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:43,240 John: when you want to do reading up close, you can then put just normal readers that you'll 00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:47,360 John: buy at the chemist or drug store and put them over the top. And that's what I did there 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:52,560 John: for a while. But what I don't understand is, is that therefore a viable solution if you're 00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:59,660 Vic: Mm. 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:55:55,000 --> 00:56:05,000 John: wearing the Apple Vision Pro? Like would you wear contacts for distance viewing and then 00:55:59,660 --> 00:56:03,440 John: get the readers inserts, which are only a hundred bucks US versus the prescription, 00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:08,360 Vic: Mm. 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:28,000 John: you know, 149s. But I'm just, like I said, I need to understand, and other people will 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:14,400 John: figure this out. And this is one of those few things that I'm grateful that it's launching 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,960 John: in the States before it's launching here. Cause I, the Americans, you're all going to 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:22,320 John: be guinea pigs for me and you're going to figure this stuff out. So I'll just sit back 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:26,400 John: and watch and let you work through the detail. Okay. And then once you've figured all that 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:31,200 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:40,000 John: out, I'll be like, aha, now I know I need to do. So anyway, I do need to get new glasses. 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:36,520 John: These ones are getting close to three years old. So I looked at the script the other day 00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,560 John: and these lenses are scratched up to hell and I need new ones. So this time I'll be 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:44,560 Vic: Mm. 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:51,000 John: a little bit more careful about it, but I'd like to go in there and say, oh, you know, 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,720 John: I need a copy of my prescription because last time I, they give you one when you buy the 00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:53,640 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:56:51,000 --> 00:57:14,000 John: glasses, but I've can't find it. It's, it's gone somewhere. So I need to get that again. 00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:59,560 John: So while I will ask them these questions once I know, cause I mean, it may well be that 00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:05,120 John: if you need two different kinds of lenses, the only way to do it is like I say, pop on 00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:09,640 John: contact lenses and then get the readers inserts and then you've got the full range of vision. 00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:14,560 Vic: Right. 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,000 John: Otherwise it might just be that it's tuned for up close. It might be tuned for distance. 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,920 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:22,000 John: I don't know. It depends on how they've engineered it. Anyway. So yeah, finally exciting. So 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:25,280 Vic: Yeah. 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:32,000 John: they'll, they'll be available on the 2nd of February, which will be probably about a week 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,800 John: after this episode goes live. And yes, to all the guinea pigs out there, let me know 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:34,880 Vic: Mm. 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,000 John: how it goes. 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:35,320 Vic: Okay. 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,000 John: Yeah. 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:45,320 Vic: I won't be one of them. 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,000 Vic: My only interest in it really is honestly, I'd like to watch TV. 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:42,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,000 Vic: But I'm also pretty fond of my actual real Dolby Atmos surround sound system. 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:49,000 John: Yeah. 00:57:45,320 --> 00:58:01,320 Vic: And spatial audio and AirPods and stuff is really nice, but 00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:53,000 Vic: it's just not gonna compete with that. 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,000 Vic: And also there's a $3,500 price tag to watch TV with it. 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:59,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,000 Vic: And then using it as an external display for my MacBook Pro would be really nice too. 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:05,000 John: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Indeed. See the other thing to keep in mind too, Vic, is that if 00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:19,440 Vic: But again, $3,500 price tag on it. 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,000 Vic: It really kind of curbs my enthusiasm for this product. 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:13,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:23,000 John: you want to have a, a private experience, you need your AirPods. And then what I, so 00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:24,960 Vic: Mm-hm. 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:33,000 John: what I had is a situation where I, my son's AirPods met the dryer. And so I bought new 00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:30,680 John: AirPods pro and gave him my old ones. Anyway. I did that two months before they released 00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:39,040 Vic: Right. 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:44,000 John: the USB-C version. Now I don't, there was nothing on the specs for the AirPods pro USB-C 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:47,480 Vic: Right. 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:58:45,000 --> 00:59:05,000 John: version that jumped out at anybody as them being different. They were just a USB-C charging 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:52,520 John: case. Everyone just like shrugged. Let's, you know, nothing to see here. Turns out they 00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,880 John: put in five gigahertz into the damn AirPods. And that's what the Vision Pro will use for 00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:02,600 John: low latency audio. And I'm like, so I missed out on those AirPods by two months. I'm not, 00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:10,000 Vic: Right. 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:21,000 John: not that I knew I needed to wait. So it's like, if I want to have that kind of an experience, 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,800 John: if I do get an Apple Vision Pro, I'm up for another set of fricking AirPods. Yay. So that's 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:20,360 John: annoying. 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:20,800 John: Yeah. The second gen of the second gen. Yeah, exactly. Don't call it the third gen. Aye 00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:33,920 Vic: Yeah, this is the discreetly labeled second gen, second gen. 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:26,000 Vic: [LAUGH] 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:32,000 Vic: Right. 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,000 Vic: [BLANK_AUDIO] 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:43,000 John: yai yai. Anyway. All right. So if you want to talk more about this, you can reach me 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,920 John: on the Fediverse at [email protected] or the network at [email protected]. If 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:44,120 John: you're enjoying Pragmatic and you'd like to support us and keep the show ad free, you 00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,520 John: can by becoming a premium supporter. 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