Pragmatic 85: Uncommon Transportation

2 April, 2018


When you’re trying to optimise a daily commute, there are lots of options to choose from. Balancing physical effort, cost, speed, safety, storage and more we deep dive into how the concept of multi-modal transportation can make your commute more efficient.

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Welcome to pragmatic pragmatic is a discussion show, thing practical application of technology by exploring real-world trade-offs with great ideas are transformed into products and services that can change our lives is seen on your host John Geagea and a joint once again by the cancer has gone back it is going is going where it is going where is it going arm forwards sure okay and is good going forwards because the topic today like talk about is getting around and going not that and hopefully thoroughly recovered off the wheels already knows too early for that or late depending upon where you are anyway and I want to talk about dumb some of the less common forms of transportation or maybe it's better to talk about some liking that like multimodal transportation so the idea that judges get in a car and leave the house a drive to wherever you're going in a park and then walk straight into where you're going that there are in fact better ways of doing this I don't necessarily mean public transport but maybe you do maybe I don't the whole idea sheriff you should use to freeze better ways maybe alternative ways as some people may nothing this week more that's true and I suppose I want to explore some of that because there's there's a safety implications this cost is them that it is also a major implication is also efficiency because if you're driving a car and you have to commute during rush hour than actually takes use in some cases 2 to 3 times as long then if you're doing something else on that main leg so it's an interesting thing I want to certify I find it interesting anyway so this should be an interesting little exercise I think so starting at the beginning with transportation ghost are the beginning units as pragmatic western arm we all got two legs Wyoming and most of us do arm I suppose some people sometimes and they lose a leg and but anyway arm so it all started with that but now you know nothing about it too much and we want but anyway it's all started with walking right at the average walking speed of human is about 3.1 mph R or five clubs are now roughly jogging skylight running just not so vigourously and is usually thought to be around 6 miles an hour 10k is now in running while at somewhere between 1922 climbers in hours 12 to 14 mph arm that's over about 10 km distance right you can go faster in short bursts obviously that is, more marathon, running but the problem I think is that everyone wants space to live in space to work and obviously the shops sporting fields nightclubs maybe you know maybe my gun a club someone does hospitals you know gotta go there sometimes when you break things in here so the more people are more space you need so you spread out and then past the city where you can walk from a to B and 10 minutes become very desirable so then people are competing for that space and pay lots of money so that then prices other people can't afford it out of the equation and I mean yes of course you could jog or run to go to aid from a to B in 10 minutes let's say but as other consequences if you do that because not everyone can run or jog either too old or the like me that you unfit maybe you don't like sweating in whatever it is to manifest only joking and running them straight exactly right in her pulse it it yes well it hurts certainly it hurts me because I'm really unfit and just not cut out for it being nevermind point is more the fact that yes there are other ways you can go faster and extends the range student you can live further away and still cover the same distance in 10 minutes you can have a job or run in order to do that and if you can't do that idea and hot tenants thing is obviously just a random number is not a consistent thing some people will be happy to commute for 30 minutes to work other people don't mind one half hours commuting to work it depends what you used to and how much are prepared to deal with so this problem then drives is to build transportation and that makes our travel times over great distances more desirable and then you can live further away so our legs give way to other forms of transport that can go faster so all my doing this discussion is so confined confine ourselves to the most popular kinds of transportation but will break those in several categories okay so self-propelled self-propelled pretty much an individual only self-propelled because you know it's it's designed the very many forms of soccer fell transportation where you have more than one person on it I guess you've got you know like Tandem bicycles is in the rear example but not there not particularly popular in arm and besides it always ends up with me this is always pushing and in Ike Burns never pushes a psychic who was the son of the anyway arm the other problem is my self-propelled transportation is arm exposed to the elements because of it self-propelled you carry a cocoon with you or a shell of some kind and gets heavy he will get tired and is like a man so in a anything at self-propelled it can be for an individual is exposed to the elements that sit now is as motorised things that changes so motorised arm transportation you have individuals or for multiple people's own individual obviously the primary intention is to carry just one person and some cases can only carry just the one arm multiple is to design a carry more than one person most of the time other other subcategory within motorised will be exposed or protected so exposed means that there is no protection at all for the person or persons in the vehicle arm from impacts or from the elements are in protected means that there some kind of barrier between the person or persons in the vehicle from impacts or as either a permanent or temporary cover from the elements against those the categories that we can look at now in addition the rules want to consider are it must be able to be ridden or driven on public roads bikeways footpath sidewalks I don't go to whole off-road discussion not all our boats were not our planes then again I'm not sure how many people have their own personal plane to get to and from work or helicopter problem not many and if they do their own and has not with the also will make year I also make a point distinction to and I know that we have some listeners that live in climates where you do get regular snow so honestly I'm sorry to all those listeners I'd I love you all but you know that whatever listlessness during a motor transportation does not rely on snow or ice to work and hence in most common weather conditions most of the year and apologies to listeners that are that far close to the Arctic Circle and say no when I consider those artists are no skidoo snow skis and no snowboard sorry are or ice skates for that matter are although ice-skating to work would be cool I've gotta say anyway arm so the point of this is to cover a typical urban commute and I say commute that could be to work it could be the University College school doesn't really matter yet where you live to where you going it's a regular thing most days of the week unity this are soap for a regular trip arm the point is to take yourself you may have some belongings with you but that's about it you don't need you you do need to tow a caravan to work you don't you not going shopping every day the week to take you know you are 50 bags of groceries home to go to feed the family whatever nano does not want organelles to about commute they see you and your man bag you and the member yet as it needs organ is a messenger bag anyhow so it's not corner the man pack your only sister and me now idea Oracle so arm right now I wear your messenger and my lunch can be a message of a sort hence it is a messenger delivering it to someone else delivering it myself which slowly counts adult melee carrier utility Vic Amen alright so arm we going to assume arm are okay so the whole point about this is that we want to optimise our journey that's the goal of this whole discussion how do we optimise and I said better perhaps it was a poor choice of words early on what I mean to say is that it needs to be optimised all the dimensions and it could be efficiency cost convenience you know all those alright now obviously is can use case dependent against someplace of going to have indicator public transport to grab excellent public transport and other areas again have none so obviously there are going to use case dependencies but I think it's still interesting to explore the options and at the end of this ever gives you pause to think and reconsider then that's the that's the whole point of it I think arm so I am going to assume that public transport might be available on some of the legs but it can't be the sole method of travel arm for this to have any value as a discussion and as a reasonable distance and I'm also shimmers a reasonable distance needs to be covered arm that is to say you also would have some distance to travel to get to and from the train station or when you or bus stop arm at one or both hands so obviously if you're able to leave and the reason I'm on putting a limit around that is because if you live really close to a bus stop or a train station and your destination is also close to a bus stop or a train station is not until about because the public transport system will inevitably be cheaper once you factor in the running costs of vehicles and all the other things that we can look at there is no argument is no debate but that the truth is statistically that that is not the case for the vast majority of people because trains are big and heavy and you can't put them everywhere and living right next to one is simply not statistically arm the average person does not live next to one arm that distilleries do it and and frankly they're quite noisy and a lot of people don't want to live next to them because they're noisy senior a few more caveats before we get stuck in arm I understand also that Europe is in a far better space and public transport generally speaking arm but you know even it can't suit every single Saul arm source and destination arm and also let's be upfront about fitness and personal preference arm going some people dislike certain modes of transportation selects a week we go to our long boarding because you gotta do it and some of them say I like writing a long board to work I just love in order order school or whatever anyway is some big skateboard it is it is a long skateboard hence long board anyhow will get will get the point is that some people do have personal preferences and SA know what I don't care what you say again how efficient is it doesn't matter I'm right in the long board my arrived and we ride you long board be happy that's great other people want to push hard on a $2000 racing bike you know and scream to and from work wearing lycra in a mean less air resistance you know I think they referred to as mammals are middle aged men in lycra so if you gonna be one of those people then that's not all be one of those people right I've worked with these people there people to anyway but you know what it's fine I am not putting on lycra I'm not doing it I don't care what you pay me I will not do it actually hang on anything about that. I get back to you on the dollar value may be a wilful area effect it make it merits but you know what I'm not gonna do that to you the debt lit this as an audio with the patriarchal URL again a new page on tear where John wears lycra for a day Eichmann I can be convinced anyway nevermind $2000 arm alright so my point is if you want to be a mammal anyone you know ride you $2000 racing bike health letter and cover 30 km in five minutes that's great – I have no idea how fast that is of the mayhem bond that sounds pretty 5000 insanely fair if you know my point is that you can do that to that's totally fine right and and that works for you but that is simply not the mouth vast majority of people it isn't and it's never going to speed yer tests have gone for plaid and the on their racing bike right to all those exemptions are allowed Fraser she has gone for that I like recognise gay so multimodal transportation just to make sure it's clear what I mean is single mode transportation is the idea that you hop in a current home try to get out that set the truth is though that is actually quite expensive and in many cases is wasteful and inefficient arm multimodal is the idea that there is a core distance that you're trying to cover in a short period of time usually by public transport and the first sometimes or primary leg to that link all the third or final leg from that link to the destination are different modes of transportation they could be anything that could be it could be walking you know that simple enough or could be riding a bicycle or a could be something else so is probably overthinking it but technically gladly explain that I do call because some of us would have heard multimodal and we would assume something was going pop-up along the way and ask how we are enjoying the right modal dialogue is yes and no such a program of the Cabernet bit yes so arm alright so is roiling to review this roadwork how the Essex okay or I'm kind of okay and is you can't have cancel button apparently anyway arm maybe later so arm right so it's probably overthinking and I guess technically you could walk from home to a train station catch a train and walk from the train to uni or work and in a case technically it is to modes with you got walking with its primary and the final leg arm and public transport as a main leg but other examples and one example which I'll talk about in future is are the one that I'm doing which is the primary and the main leg is is driving from home but then I Street Park and then ride my bike or arm in EU see our on the final leg to work now that one is a long story and I get that at some point another example is riding a bicycle to the train station you lock your bike up the train station and you catch the train in and then you walk from the train to uni or to work or college or school or whatever so there's lots of examples but that hopefully gives a general idea of what I'm talking about now the APTA which is the America's public transport Association did interesting study a few years ago looking at how millennial is arm view the future of transportation moving away from the motor vehicle because it's expensive and was there pushing their own agenda on that one other information interesting read are nevertheless so I encourage you to read that is a Lincoln in the show notes just to basically point out that yes this is something that is go become a bigger thing alright so that's multimodal transportation so now let's talk about arm I mentioned before the category self-propelled motorised sound solids let's alarm was put a box around what we can talk about specifically again so self-propelled it's not actually a long list because only semi-ways you can self-propelled yourself here in on a start with put wheels on your feet rollerskates and rollerblades arm skateboards and long boards in their closely related arm I had to put in their pogo sticks technically pogo sticks in your arm lying she was cold he leased that the youngsters were wearing around here a few years back there were pretty trendy you heard of this all my kids lusting after these healings they wanted a pair and we resisted and they have not got any yet and property never will but there is very father Joe and Gigi are year anyway so yes those around so just in case people unaware what they are they around their sneaker with a little wheel in the heel and side think the name healings right yet fun thing to get the supermarket rated take you down with exactly yes anyway adds that there are actually quite difficult to walk on because of you if you walk to heal first yours fall over also to include unicycles in West as in like pedalled unicycles like jugglers and people in the circus ride year technically self-propelled areas bears right in your true yet apparently so you've also got the two well kind we've got bicycles which is of course a pretty big one and are push scooters as in like a scooter to wheels handlebars push push Lego I wanted to exclude devices from this discussion that require you to attach them to your body as well and was attaching to your body and thinking more about transition time and how to obtain the negatives so I've been our rollerskates as I was kid and the amount of time it takes to lace up your skates and Ivan found when I had with my rollerblades when one clipping them up there I spent a lot of time wrenching them and tightening them so they're just right so it takes me a good five minutes maybe maybe six minutes arm to strap them up and I'm strapped them all laced up and unless them actually takes quite a bit of effort and pain in the neck whereas if you've got are a skateboard you step off the skateboard pickup skateboard and walk off the army is either transition time is nothing practically nothing so I just want exclude rollerskates rollerblades from from the discussion I think will exclude pogo sticks as well because I'm in care by hey pogo sticks arm and unicycles because unicycles aren't really good commuting devices and frankly rollerskates really are good communal devices either but is arbitrable reason so would like to do as I bundle skateboards and is push scooters together so are the idea is used down with 1 foot and you push with the other foot so this is called push boards and be done with it and you'll know I'm talking about but I mainly talk about long boards I guess but you know push boards this is court that run with it and bicycles because bicycles are the single most popular self-propelled means of transportation in the whole world so definitely can be to augment them and discover point out that if you're running with any of the luxury of doing it wrong nice yes the absently ripe or choice of words on my part but yes true or writing motorised ones so let's talk about individual and protected and that's actually pretty unusual because that's a car with one seat and sometimes there are cows like that they call them Mike micro cars or bubble cars which is both but they're both horrible names but anyway arm the smallest production for wheeled vehicle on the road today that is mass produced is the smart are for two arm it's technically a subcompact vehicle though because as two seats of emphysema listings I have the very short very tiny I was marvel at where the heck the engineers but yes there are very stubby looking car that anyhow yet we have them your cults micro are yes that's right I think there are some brand of Mercedes or something a BMW I lose track of who owns it all about that item is no occasionally a pestle only and Christina may commute to work anything you know somebody at that thing just can become a pinball issued up and out you may will be right so one but technically that's not an individual vehicle has got two seats so anyway arm now obviously there is Formula One cars and Indy cars they got one seat but you know they're not really good for commuting for whole bunch of other reasons the probabilities are parked in some cars anyway are there is also these things that are that are sort of well they're becoming sorta popular they call the call them neighbourhood electric vehicles or any these and down the SP Ltd though and I can't really go on all roads so you currently drive them on freeways or even major arterial roads are you also car driving is too big on a footpath or a sidewalk or a bike way so they are very limited and this meant for as the name suggests neighbourhood travel and asset are so people saying that a future they're awesome and so on and I think that the other, glorified go-kart of the sort that is enclosed but I do know that they haven't really taken off that well they are becoming more popular but in any case I really don't think any of those are worth talking about in any great degree of detail because I don't think anyone uses those any of those vehicle classes for commuting are in any numbers whatsoever and the design of options out there anyway if there were more options may be people use them that's arm you I don't know maybe that their time will come in that it hasn't come yet maybe the so leave them out this discussion running okay so motorised are individual and exposed so these are basically things like motorised scooters all the way up to full-blown motorbikes so yes a large motorbike can carry two people but generally they're designed to carry the one I don't go too much depth about scooters though because they can't go all roads do not fast enough like you know and so on as a scooters nominee like alarm single speed arm 50 mL pop art arm harsh there's other names for them are they skate me the moment but yes scooters and was a scooter that I mean I could push scooter like a motorised scooter arm Oracle sardonic the diary tour Basque is too much because their day they can't they're not good enough for a decent commute because of the distance as you travel you can't take them all roads so that's not useful and you enter because you can't ride my bike way and you can't write a sidewalk or a footpath so will consider all motorbike classes together as one is everything from choppers to sports bikes all engine sizes like emitting from 250 mL up to what however big arm and was gonna call on motorcycles and exit and a more recent set of motorised devices are electric are bicycles and obviously segues an electric unicycles and hobble boards and made they all derive from a Segway and is a lot more to talk about with those as well so deafening and include those in most countries they control pre-match anywhere people can walk but yes they they struggle with stairs so not not meaning stairs than most car struggles debt anyway and motorbikes in some countries you can ride segues arm on the road as well are but others you can't ride a solely electric driven device on public roads because it is considered to be a motor vehicle and it has to comply with motor-vehicle regulations and it's not a motor vehicle so it doesn't so I can't do little bit convoluted but that's just the way it shakes out in the end unfortunately anyway so arm so will consider segues and electric bicycles into categories as well so got motorbikes segues electric bicycles so the last one to consider last last car classification is multiple and protected some would say that that a convertible is exposed but it's got a top than you can put the top up and put down again and they may or may not leak personal experience a colleague anyway modern convertibles become role bars arm the memories are the memories I have had a convertible in years and I still remember how young and not so bright John driving it through a year a car wash and learning the hard way anyway bad bad stability and anyway arm of mine that are modern modern now convertibles of got some role bars behind the seats these days RC belts pretension is a lot safer than they used to be but you if you roll a convertible it's public and I heard a lot more than if you're older Sedan I would think so year so anyway are so premature in the car out there we go compact into one category so Sedan station wagons roadsters SUVs four-wheel-drive's use or pickup trucks with unicorn every single size you could can imagine all types or classes of these together was gonna call them cast the go it's a simplification but it works for the point of this exercise and so we have our shortlist we have pushed boards and that is with or without handles arm are bicycles electric bicycles segues motorcycles and cars would you think I think that's a list or writing so I will look at each of those items in that shortlist from a few different angles and these are different aspects of your attributes if you'd like I guess of each of those modes the first one is human energy how much effort does it take to use and are in excellent storage so how portable is it when you're not using it so at home and the destination when you're switching in switching modes of transportation might say the next one is transition time so how long does it take to prepare that mode of transport for use and to start or stop using it when you done the speed obviously how fast can you go and the usability of it so where can you write or drive it and where can't you are the safe the safety is a big one like you I like how likely are you to get injured on this thing and finally the cost that is the cost not just to purchase it but also to operate and maintain it so obviously something's got higher running costs than others wheeling over of Osgood excellent excellent frigate okay so let's talk about human energy and I had to be very careful as a human energy because I thought about originally the title with energy in my camper energy to come from lots of places so this is arm year asked doing the hard work so were rum we feel that all power we compel power push power what you call it weave food muscles do stuff we expend energy and we break a sweat is all good alright so the push boards so there are a few there are very few actual useful references for how much energy it takes arm but intuitively what I did find is pretty much what I expect so a scooter and a skateboard require more energy for propulsion over the same distance as something like a long board and yard let's be honest the scooter is a skateboard with a handlebar the easiest rider stability right but long boards are different they been refined for longer hire sustained speeds that they got better bearings there more precise machining so the better the got better balance there is there is no requirement for them to be light arm because you not try to do tricks on long boards do not try to all Israel slides anything like that they're meant to be efficient for cruising so occasional singalong board just imagine a skateboard that stretched out a bit longer the trucks are slightly wider the Wellesley wider arm and its other know-how is described some of them are shaped like an alligator diamond some of them are like rectangular but they sort of ducking around the trucks and some of them are a sunken down slightly to all different designs but the whole whole concept is you get on this thing and you put one push guess you further than you would ice on a skateboard the wheels are generally larger as well it's designed to be more rugged but that the price is that it's you can't do tricks on a very easily and obviously it's bigger and heavier but you know that's not what is designed for so is sometimes labelled as landing sites yet it is true they are actually and I see some people even put sales on the arm when bigger wheels and they hear they they ride them off road but again see previous discussion are about that not not to off-road stuff being so if arm if you were actually looking to have a push board of some kind for commuting you would use a long board and I'm talking that once an unpowered of course there are powered once but not including those ones so the optimum community board is a long board and they can coast downhills under gravity which is really nice arm bearing efficiency isn't as good as that of bicycles so in 2014 the National Centre for biotechnology information the NCB I which is really not a very useful acronym sometimes when you have acronyms that is don't then no easier that role until it all mean what is it Nick Nickleby long as it doesn't look this is where I arm senior in-state siesta study of long borders arm as it related to energy efficiency makes an interesting read as a link in the show notes but they found for a typical speed of 4.5 m/s and yet we all talk in metres per second right anyway so that's actually 16 km an hour or 10 mph of the gross metabolic cost was 2.2 J per kilogram per metre now it if that doesn't help then compare that to an average walking pace for an average person which is between 4 to 4.5 J per kilogram per metre so from a human energy perspective long boarding requires approximately 50% less energy per mass per distance travelled compared to walking so long board is actually more efficient than walking the same distance and is also quicker so that's a bit about push boards and energy consumption now sugar bicycles and a lot of bicycles open ride bikes for as long as I can remember and honestly bicycles are amazing because travelling at an average speed on relatively level ground it takes somewhere between 1/3 to 1/5 of the amount of energy to ride a bicycle compared to walking the same distance is unbelievable and mechanically it's actually the most efficient form of transportation in the world mechanically 99% of the energy that you put in the pedals results and energy transferred into motion the losses are so minuscule and that's a direct drive if you go through the rails and gearing and everything you have different losses depending on gear ratios and a bar and not the world is not flat and level so you know it's kind of obviously it varies but generally it's it's you it's pretty impressive and if any bicycle has a ratchet mechanism which is most of them army can go down slopes without peddling arm and you take full advantage of grabbing and coasting is a big deal as well huge energy saver bicycles for the win yes awesome arm anything motorised now I have to say this for the sake of completeness right this is Hannah human energy and is safe to exclude energy that takes to sit in a car arm or sit on a motorbike or stamina Segway or electric bicycle a risk is likely obviously your consuming energy when you're sitting around your fine dining, you not arm and just a note about electric assisted bicycles let's be clear yes you can pedal assist once you've used that motor used in abusing the motor and is not really a bicycle after that it's basically it's a stripped down scooter with decorative panels on a number you know right if you like what electric bicycles there if you have a breakout break exactly exactly so anyway arm and I Segway yes you could count core muscle energy expenditure for the single will version I think with cordless talked about off-line but honestly let's let's not count that that's just a bit of a stretch so I can when I can count that is actual account yes that's cool good this mortal bet on later don't worry okay okay so hold that in a right summary notes on energy consumption every form of travel that uses human energy is going to result in some kind of sweat but how badly sweat depends on how vigourously you ride walk or run how hot it is how humanities and so on so that said most people that do anything above a brisk walk in terms of physical exertion have another thing to consider in exchanging clothes and get to work so this is not have given rise to end of trip or EOT facilities is that what they call them estates I'm not really sure can I have a lot of exposure why had the terminology used only a few years ago here and I'm not sure if it's a global thing online in terms of the terminology but the idea is that you have a set of lockers you don't generally in the basement subbasement of the building you working and it's a place to store dry close or a place to hang your wet damp moist whatever close to area and dry and very little have you fancy Hannah and typically do not typically have a shower sometimes you bring your own tower other times I'll do all that for you. How flashy this arm so yet were encouraging people to ride bikes to work for example as the main driver of the unitary facilities that I've seen in the last few years they've been getting better and better quality and more snazzy arm there was a recent retrofit of a nearby building that some people using arm because we are moving buildings but anyway and they were thrilled because it actually had AER assured press in a like an iron press logo gathered the long long flatbeds like it's the whole things I can ironing plate is put the whole shirt in imprisonment as does the whole thing I in one go, thing that clinical yet you know minutes ago arm but yes I personally arm amid the thing is that the joke going in the office was that the amount I would take you when you walked into terminal before it would heat up I mean you be there for 20 metastases waiting for the warmup to do one shirt knowns and do that there anyway that might okay so is human energy star with human energy there storage time that stubble is push boards go now long boards they pretty big but you you can get storage bags forum and backpack bags that lets you strap them to your back and get around that arm stack on the works arm they can lean against a nearby wall but you can put them in most lockers under a desk out of the way so, thing a home there pretty unobtrusive really so essentially there won't be most portable options in a way around about 8 pounds about 3 1/2 kg that is for a complete R 42 inch long long board and obviously your your mileage will vary their large once heavy ones in light once but discovered that for an average right bicycles so this two broad types of bikes from a storage perspective just normal bike and a folding bike and I actually have both arm my folding bike has 22 wheels and when it folds can easily fit in the boot are all the trunk with a court order hatchback if you prefer in my arm my Honda jazz so the vast majority of bikes though art folding bikes folding unfortunately adds more weight because the hinge mechanisms need to be made from sums stronger material and dumb just did just it's heavy unfortunately the main support Barna frame also needs to be thicker as well because you you generally can't do a fold with our triangle frame structure that most bicycles have got so that's a bit of a pain but honestly arm you could fold bicycles under your desk at work I guess but honestly you just there to big to be leaning on a wall folder unfolded arm taking my trainer buses can be annoying even if you can fold them I've seen people do it I haven't done it myself but are it sort of gets a little bit out of the way but they're still no not the most inconspicuous of things you want to be there okay know I've seen people do it right and in rush-hour they get a lot of dirty looks and yet it's not get is generally considered to be not good arm it's not against the rules though on the trains here in Brisbane but I know in some some places it is that you're not supposed to bring bikes on a train in the rush-hour direction during rush-hour armour but they never enforce it so anyway arm right so anyway the only good news is that most buildings have some bike racks and if they don't have bike racks to your finer pole somewhere if you look hard enough that you can strap the bike tufa securities doesn't get stolen are all the honest these don't take it the dishonest thieves carry bolt cutters anyway or a small amount of acid I guess and put little eyedrop is a facet on that SW your tone of voice they're indicated you may have had some experience with this arm of having a bike stolen how we are not me stealing a bike no clear vague idea and I don't keep a vat of acid just for that special occasion now I don't arm anyway monitor arm so the other thing of course of end of trip facilities will often have locker bike storage and is is the main use use case for using entry facility and at great are some like my old and new building I work in of both got these which is awesome and they got different ones like you can hang them up the bike up on the wall other ones the young the bike racks like two-tiered so you literally like you pull a slider down from the wall put the bike on it and then the the spring are loader that the spring loading pulleys then mostly younger backup of the wall at the way second double stacked the bicycles was really cool arm anyway that this court's record arm and obviously neurological riding a small space to store it then however you can make it more efficient than that is the better for everybody arm at home of course the good thing advice causing him anyway like you mostly looking in the garage but you know when I had an apartment with an apartment I would keep mine the apartment rather than the garage arm so white just did there was a while back I guess about electric bicycles essentially all my comments about bicycles are pretty much the same for electric bicycles but there is one big difference was the big difference in electric bike you're a conviction in terms of storage and get around arm were hypothetically probably need a place we can plug it in the recharger that is a good point are actually it was my second point but arm the first point actually was trying to drive at was there actually really heavy are their alacrity that yet that it's something that didn't occur to me until I tried to lift one up once these things are 2 to 3 times heavier than a regular bike and it's it because the motor and the battery even if the batteries lithium it still heavy in the motor and these things is the heaviest thing and sometimes the end in in a lot of designs that aren't arm hub motors arm you've got a bunch of extra arm gearing on their own equipment arm for transmitting the motor power to the yard to the drive drive will so it's arm it's also a bit sound problematic if you got a folding you bike because if you try lift that in our bit of a car this year Ural care for Dundee back in its arm there that heavy seriously but somehow from that and the charging point obviously our lesson bikes removable batteries and you can take the battery with you in charge that at your desk or something more convenient arm but the trip facilities my current building actually do have charge points for electric bike so you write are that Stephanie consideration but apart from that it's much the same as a study bike racks the still awkward lean against a wall and that schoolwork any bike racks basically gay Segways full-size Segways to and from there actually very cumbersome they don't fit the bike rack arm and like an E bike that pretty heavy and as an example the eye to commuter Segway model weighs 48 kg that's £105 so that is you can't really carry that is not like no no it isn't arm but you can lock them to a post I guess arm but that's pretty much it you can stand or lean against the wall but, like a bike that had a fair bit of space it's not really ideal so Segways are kind of awkward the park right if using a hollow board arm which are those one flat boards of the Wii on each end and hinge in the middle they can be carried in a special carry bag or a backpack but they're also not that light in the way between 10 to 15 kg which is about £22-£33 so there bit heavy it's gets doable is certainly more doable than it than aplenty full-size Segway but yet still there heavy now if you're if you're able to manage a single wheel electric unicycle or an EU C then you can get a 14 inch wheel model that will fit in the large backpack weighing only 7.5 kg which is about £16 that's a lot better and it's quite doable to carry around but the hover boards and EU sees the also tuck away a desks dolphin lockers so it's kinda similar to a push board arm longboard whatever the storage but full-size Segways like bicycles there, hard to lock down arm non-handlebar Segways there, push board is disturbed heavier fair bit heavier at home keep many were you like in the garage or in the house for charging I suppose because you charge them as woks over battery or key motorcycles now getting serious parking a motorbike at home doesn't actually take up too much space but because got gasoline and it you probably want to keep that in the garage and on the house arm at work you need to pay for a space most likely although some cities got free parking for motorcycles but because that's popular you'll find that most motorcycles will start early so I get free spots close to where they where they work there Elizabeth what I've observed anyway to know what it's like where you live you only get there another sponsor for so do you have people to go in and get done the motors and other motorcycle spots some are free in the the CBD near where you are the Middletown arm I think for the most part most people around here where I live anyway which is can be mistakes but people she was a regular parking space near do we hate those people is not a sufficient oath not really space efficient but if they don't really have anywhere else to work it worked what alternatives are they now suppose it's a good point arm yeah what what we have in Brisbane the adult live in inner it's not it's a very rural area or any other honour and I can welfare enough are in Brisbane there are definitely designated spots for our motorcycles that are about the size of a motorcycle and the painted lines and boxes in annual fit three motorcycles in the same spaces for a car but some in any case it is generally frowned upon here parking a motorcycle in a car space arm people do do it when there are no other options you're quite right and I guess that's fair enough but if there is a motorcycle spot and there is nothing in it and in a few spaces down the car spot with one motorbike unit people get a bit shirty about that so the bottom line though that yet but the bottom line those of you not gonna go stupid early and there aren't free car spots off Reebok motorcycle spot sorry arm then parking it is nation's gonna require space and it's gonna cost you money so but you know if you're a big city it generally costs to park any kind of over a large vehicle words motorbike or our next category which is a car and obviously parking current homes can and you need a garage or driveway I guess arm you could Street Park in some places not all arm and there are many situations was not possible to have a car at all because it's a one pad two bedroom apartment is in a car space is no street parking is nothing but obviously were assuming that that is some possibility since as part of the equation we talk about so parking at your destination though is gonna require car space of some kind whether that's a supermarket whether it's at school Uni are or are at your office building now in big cities that can get very very expensive like $400 a month is what it costs on average for a car space in the Brisbane CBD and is quite expensive I think arm obviously some of my sellers really cheap compared to insert cities name here maybe London but you know what I'm that's another good point driving cars and in such arm in some cities introduced arm congestion taxes so you drive through the city like they do that in London and there is a year there is an additional charge for driving into the city in your car anyway so in big cities driving into the city can cost you parking in the city will cost you a lot more and those sorts of free spots like on the street they're very hard to come by some people arm yet you can find them in some parts of some cities but they generally go to sleep motorcycle free spots very early in the mornings unless you get up early and I can get there anyway right so that storage system at transition time is an interesting one because of you doing multimodal transportation you gotta consider how long it takes to switch between modes walking is quite obviously instantaneous that's not really worth talking about arm but push boards switching from carrying a board to riding a board is less than what two seconds maybe it's not down is really not long if you have a sale on our part you pretty much and if using a scooter sometimes people my father handle down arm like if you carrying the backpackers make that arm in which case might 85 seconds on folder handle hop on and push in are not much else to do but you know it could take maybe 15 seconds I'll have you putting in out of a special bag maybe but it's not long is pretty fast so because you can technically ride them on sidewalks negatively ride them right up to the door and you're carrying them say Danny to park your interlock or stow them necessarily either so that they actually reduce your transition time a lot compared to some of the other options so steamer bicycles for a second if you're folding and unfolding a bike of time that it takes about 45 seconds from is fully stowed to writable and vice versa is much the same for me whichever way I'm going now if you're not I would have expected of a law practice have gotten quite good and when I started doing is like two minutes arm but you get good at and of I've marked pot Mark Mark spots so I note that the right height to put the seed at and you know it's all been preset for me so I enfolded locked in position hop on and go so it's not too bad arm right now if you're not folding or parking or you don't have a folding bike then your transition time is just locking and unlocking and that includes your helmet presumably arm blocking out the bike arm it for about 30 seconds get off the bike pushing the bike rack get out the bike lock weave it through the spokes and the frame arm is never disliked as the wheel because others take the wheel often still bike arm depending on where you live right here year and we parking at anyway so then you park it and generally speaking you don't wheel the bike into the building generally speaking and if you're going to a mandatory facility used to park your bike and then you go you get changed and go to wherever so the problem with bicycles is you don't actually walk right up to the door with them you gonna have to transfer some time and walk a final final final leg as it were Anastas did this is the way it is our electric bicycles is slightly longer because they're heavier but I'm that's pre-much the same stories for bicycles arm and a causal director type plugging in charge but if you get a big enough battery on the Minister once a day you do when you get home run or if you really cheap do it working company artistic free BSS get to get to the running cost limit if you could be that gay writers will be at that gay demonstrate mandates free electricity they can't trace it to my bike anyway the minor right so segues now full-size segues there might be hard to find a safe spot to park but locking unlocking is about the same as a bicycle court 30 seconds now if you again same promise bicycles go park it we can walk the last leg now for hover boards though and EU sees if you get off them you can bag them and keep walking are or carry them and its pre-worst-case best 60 seconds arm there about skill and you can ride the right to the door because your letter either my footpath or sidewalk just like Bush board so that's actually not too bad motorcycles once our you're dressed in your safety gear and that's of course assuming your good and wearing safety gear are hop on hop on turnkey way go the much to assuming a starter course arm parking it sometimes you can walk backwards into its bottom turnoff but that doesn't take long either caught 20 seconds it's did not heck of a lot of time but then of course you go do the last thing I bicycles your walk to the door and so on right cars are Living are describe it but here we go unlock the car open the door sit down for a new seatbelt because you good insert into a sticky or push the start button on the way go mega parking is all then reverse you how 20 seconds each time, like a motorcycle and again assuming that it starts and you have a flat battery and like thing and what to electric cars necessarily because in a populist enough yet that they will be Sunday and it will be awesome even a minor but you don't need any special clothing that's actually a huge time saver because you going to get in the car in your final workout for viewing a motorcycle and you wear the proper protective gear which will cover shortly we get our safety arm back and take a serious amount time so not not as smart as some think writing speed is our next category feel the need so push boards top speed when you push yourself on level ground has about 18 km an hour is about 11 miles an hour now downhill you Capri make up to 50 km now 31 miles an hour that's kinda crazy in dangerous gas but people do it how I have and it was scary arm here year so bicycles and the idea so the top speed cruising down a gentle slope or pushing hard on my folding bike I've actually managed 40 5K is an out about 28 mph which is going on that's a reasonable kind of a clip especially for a 20 inch wheel are folding bike to you on a race I've gone much faster so my 10 speed racer when I was a kid I say kid I was a teenager like you said a kid going down a very steep hill in open air I managed 90 km an hour that's 56 miles an hour and I did 110, is now which is 68 miles an hour slipstreaming to the two of us and we took turns taking the lead and the goal one of us had our where she broke several speedometers trying the staff ever told the story before on a podcast but arm we will try to set a speed record because you know hate boys not anyway here year and down here we had an analog speedometer that had arm accord that would attach inside the frame of the front wheels and as the wheel would turn it would do a rotation and then the driver you literally have a couple of orange that stuck into the wheel spokes yes you you know that exactly one talk about a thing and year and that would drive an old-style analogue gauge that showed your speed arm basically the way though is to work right what we a aerosol one that that had attic had engaged when it that I know that was what we discovered because we were shocked how fast we were actually going because we had no idea at that point so that thing a top speed of 60 km an hour and we basically broke it and melted it we bid literally belted arm the in the inside arm was connected by a stainless steel while a shadow of stainless steel was a steel square cable so as a square cable to transmit the arm the rotations right in the bond the top that was no longer square when we got to the bottom there was a perfect that it had twisted itself into a perfect circle and it was so hot you couldn't touch it we are to wait 20 mitzvah to cool down so we could pull apart to find out why was stuck over about 70-70 K is now so then we bought a digital Speedo arm room with a digital speed on a bike and as we took our rings we calibrated we got pretty accurate and yes hundred and 10 case now slipstreaming that pretty impressive this insane instead Street is scary while you amend that how the story ends was that I was riding my bike downhill one day doing stupid speeds and I came off did a somersault the bike decree somersaults crack the frame and I gouged my arm down to the bone and up in hospital but never mind that is another story that you didn't break anything no (then thing in a funny and I say that's loud snoring teenager were made in those years were not made a robbery more Vic that is all about that day is now to add that in just a second that Yuri hold that thought okay so finally Dave Gayton most recently as a few months back I was on a pretty good downhill and back and leaned into it and made myself as aerodynamic passport I had about 32 nice those three words per hour yesterday was pretty scary though you know absolutely get the whole tab email if something happened. I'm lucky to live directly with year that's it so the whole safety thing is really really interesting so you will get to that believe me are so just averages then if you're in good shape and a typical pretty typical average speed for a bicycle is about 2025 climbers an hour which is about 12 to 15 miles an hour I think that is pretty safe you did you agree with that the others is about average for you if you're in reasonable shape made may be slower if you not arm but that's okay select the gear ratio your Baycol so comfortably to all absolutely does absolutely so for electric bicycles premises same as bicycles but since they're heavier is actually hard to go faster on level ground without using the electric assessed so the electric assist varies depending on the model in Australia supposed to be speed limited to 20 km an hour but only people hack them and they just ignore that arm and a cushion to import your own motives and upgrade them and do sorts of positive hacking and stuff them are the downhill there much the same as a normal bicycle cruise at whatever speed you may be slightly faster because the heavier got more mementos you so that awaited advantage of that category yesterday but ultimately arm average speeds are much the same as normal bicycle is the only difference is the amount of human energy expended okay segues so again segues a speed limited to about 20 km an hour so again about 12 miles an hour whole boards much the same electric unicycles are supposed to be speed limit as well but there are some models where that's configurable and the farce is one that I know about is the got way am super arm the 3+ and that's got top speed of 55 climbers an hour just 34 miles an hour on a single wheel unicycle – crazy motorcycles do I have to mention speed like fast you know like really really fast and the same with cars really fast like motorbikes so there's no point in me obviously if you're going to speed you want a motorised UI motorbike on a car that's just they win. That usability and then will talk about safety so usability and the whole point is what's the point having a true motor transportation if your ladder use anywhere for the legal solicitors figure out where we can use it where we can't so push sports now in some countries you can't ride them on the low road legally are generally there pretty much okay to write anywhere else footpath cycleway sidewalks lobby right on the road even though they're not supposed to order to grey area arm and you amend ice ROM escape on the road all the time as a kid and I never got into trouble well in a lot of trouble for writing on the road anyway are now inevitably near so you might write bicycle snout the grating of bicycles is you can ride them on any road except the freeway pretty much arm cycleway's footpath sidewalks the very fluid that effectively the most flexible option that you can get sub- freeways otherwise you could our electric bicycles exact the same as bicycles but in some countries are supposed to be speed limit like a said before on bike paths in particular now segues a bit of an oddball because the regulations around the world to figure what the hell they are so you can't generally ride them for long distances on a road generally only a few hundred feet arm and when it is not possible to write a footpath or by quietly stats the rule where I live but in the US the laws are variable depending on what state you're in and honestly it's really much the same here in some states several different rules again so watch this space and segues at some but generally speaking don't expect to be other ride them on the road without getting in trouble and it's the same kind of rules arm as our hazard as a bicycle but you generally don't run on the road side you footpath cycleway sidewalks, thing okay motorcycles now you'd motorcycles much the same with cars that are only allowed on roads arm you can put my footpath when you parking them only arm but you can't travel long footpath or you footpath side or clinical arm the thing it's interesting about the usability is rush-hour so the interesting thing the motorcycle is that you can practice something called lane splitting as a record and states average the area you so the idea is that you've got the freight to the middle of aerobatics that they're stuck in exactly and then they clip you wing mirror breaks and then you just start screaming but they can't hear you because I got a bite motorcycle helmet on the program loud motorbike in every way off in the distance anyway yet that has never happened to me Noel anyway the minor fine lane splitting is legal in some countries it used to be illegal here but they legalised it songs you going less than the arm 30 climbers per hour when you doing I've seen people lane split at 100 cases in our motorbike was 30 still sounds came at FAS to busy woman in between a few lengthy chorus year now these people are insane right there asking to become roadkill nevermind nevermind so the difference is that motorcycles will typically take about a 50% hit on commuting times in heavy traffic because they have a slowdown but they can lane splits are not stopping all the time so with cars on the other hand of course only allowed on roads then Errol Allen for piles are all sidewalks to park arm roads generally get heavily congested during peak periods when you want to use a car for commuting purposes and it was all about and got nowhere to hide nowhere to go so typical commute you can double or even triple the amount of time to time travel same distance during rush out terrible so cars are technically faster but are they usable if they get stuck and slow down by Russia unless that has to be considered okay the one we've all been waiting for safety may be made to people I care about safety but I think they probably should arm solicitor to ask two dimensions of safety that I want to consider this additional safety precautions that come with a time impact so you can choose to use them or you can choose not to use them it takes time are if you do choose to use them to put them on to take them off and that has to be balanced with the risk of injury so let's look at those dimensions for each of our options are first of all for push boards now the most safety gear people generally: the push boards gable long board of alcohol is a helmet some people wear protective gloves on hover boards and EU seas for example but are when it comes to push boards and staff it's the thing out and I about 20 seconds is all it takes to put a helmet on and some protective gloves and take off again in a year at analogy is an astoundingly moist at 20 seconds they were nothing well they're welcome to anything they want to but arm if you want put on kneepads and arm pads then that's an extra 20 seconds let's say you if you're good at you with my new pretty damn quick specialised edges Velcro on Velcro off not the ones you slide on obviously to take a bit longer take your shoes off arm bidding with of the kneepads anyway now what's interesting is that they are as our study done focusing on longer long boards for versus skateboards that study was done in injuries between 2006 and 2010 and it showed that long borders suffered from more cranial injuries and neck injuries than skateboards did now less interesting in the hour it also concluded that the injuries and skate parks were significantly less most likely they concluded due to lower impact speeds an increased likelihood that they would be wearing safety equipment here so that's thinking about you so that if you think about it kinda makes sense because if you're on a skateboard in your skate park your thinking hey arm line up in the air doing crazy staff and lower are dressed appropriately I have probably dressed with safety gear on because I'm thinking it's dangerous right of a long board and is cruising down the street man is like driving a car ride the bike in any battalion or man I have ever let her exactly and so they don't a lot of them don't wear helmets a lot of them don't wear protective gear they don't ever wear long pants and that's just crazy right so we will all talk about that little bit more to intimate knee is the one that is particularly pertinent to you and particularly the moment are and that's bicycle safety gear so let's just talk quickly about that and then you can tell the listeners what happened are recently in your life the first thing is the most people most safety gear the people wear on a bike is a helmet and a lot of people don't wear helmets because it's not mandated in Australia they they made it mandatory to have bike helmets arm about 25 years ago and I remember distinctly because I was when I was a teenager so I used BRI without one and I had to wear one and ever since I've gone old and crafty I always wear one and if they'd say I don't have to wear one where and what anyway takes about 10 seconds to put a helmet on take off again that's it even if you don't worry gloves right there so the funny thing is the rate of cyclist injuries and deaths is actually increasing whilst driver injuries and vehicles is decreasing as you think about it it's it kinda makes sense because up I think that it should be attributed to the fact that the car driver and passenger safety features are improving every year you between things I crumple zones and see by pretentious airbags and all that whereas it is impossible to protect cyclists any more than they already are you can't add a crumple zone to a bicycle arm in any other way to do it a step to mandate more protective equipment so our lecture bicycles browse the same as a bicycle exactly in terms of safety so what happened to you recently Vic with you and your bicycle had a crash okay what can crash arm the basic awareness area bordering Cana sideways in a week and everyone came sideways with a lender really item a shoulder our zone one hour while sitting in mail I was doing about 14 miles an hour tonight too terribly fair stone and whether it was navigating home away after terms a breakout to go get dinner kill two birds with one stone grab some dinner and a little bit more account and at the same time and I was aware how with that and it was coming upon Simpson style traffic that wasn't moving very fast and there was also corresponded on the side of the road and rather than try to do a pretty Merrill lean split between them I decided I would just utilise the sidewalk you know just for a few moments to get pasta the traffic so to do this I was navigating from the road to the say what using a driveway which had this little minuscule less than a 1 inch curve which you would not think it could really do you end but it is in fact can do you again if as you navigating from the road into the over this little minuscule wattage curve if you're too parallel to it and there is some small gravel they can come into play and basically just cannot bounce my wheel off the curb into the bicycle outside we spread out from underneath me so you to sit you hit the ground remote with nothing under you as you get so they can animate broken colour vulnerability be broke that thing good did new and yet it was it's broken across the bone and it was split lengthwise along how the how man so tight I know what you've been through but Justin open the listeners benefit arm so you had surgery to get that that's are remedied yes I did you often taped if you break a clavicle as long as it's still pretty much lined up were supposed to be in the gap between the two pieces and still beg there is a whole what they do for those nowadays they will sometimes appoint you and Ian are think the colour crossbreed through something like that it goes behind your back and over both shoulders arm you can think of leak if you've everything late TB Shows and stuff where they have like this shoulder holster so that they can carry the gun Lake and there are it can make that images can keep clavicle and a boy should be so that it can heal this is the way most people recuperate from a broken clavicle less than 5% these days actually end up needing to get surgery for it only lucky five when I was in that lucky fibrous as mine was it was it was broken we went to the emergency room Afro realise how badly our spirit actually walked for about another half-mile pushing my bike as a first that I was disoriented I would walk it off and then get back on the bacon rate on I again pretty clear pretty quickly that wasn't the case in every matter half-mile recycle my wife and she can get me we went to the hospital and it was obviously broken we we we could tell back as it wasn't poking through my skin but it was poking up under my skin so you can you can deftly feel some some things that are placed there and they did an x-ray and you could see there was broken and there was actually no overlap the two pieces of clavicle bold work and of overlapping each other employment inward link down toward my rib cage that qualifies as very very major ouch arm year so so they sent me to the orthopaedic specialist and they they look at makes reasonable year work and an organ need to do some surgery unless we can get you back in a place where you need to be Solano heal so they schedule my surgery for a few days later and no one Ian and what was supposed to be a 45 minute surgery actually turned on the lake a two-hour surgery because that I present want to get in there he realised another Woolley was a broken across the bone but it was also split lengthwise well so they may spend some time putting them back together and I get a nice little titanium plate in their armour clavicle from that you are titanium a bit so it will make him as a major unified faster stronger arm not yet not yet know definitely not yet so it's gonna be a long summer long road to recovery on this is not that would appear to be the case year the first that it really see much point in that long recovery because the directories basically taken me off work for at least 4 to 6 weeks and 8 o'clock that sounded accessible at first but in most of the general pain is gone like adult just constantly feel pain just from sitting around anymore the suspicion about around three weeks since my surgery now so not have a lot of this general pain at all but if I move my arm at the shoulder then I feel pain pretty much any demo movie dear good from the elbow down not so much in it I may move it at the shoulder and just just to give you an idea you know will take take one hand and put it on your on your collarbone area energy start moving your arm around and your feel exactly how much everything moves in there when you do that so he wants that they have plenty of time to heal and spend a lot of family give amount about Iraq moving around written items was the sleep-wake have to keep a sling just mechanically minimal if sitting around whatever I can think of other slings I can stretch out my stuff like that but this was to keep it pretty much immobile for at least another couple of weeks and then there's gonna be some therapy involved in stuff because I'm imagining by the Orangemen look like a toothpick you have you have you noticed much of a difference in my arm visibly loss of muscle mass all or more times and has been out of action for nearly what a month now nearly night too much mainly just flexed soreness and stiffness and achiness so I'm never actually had an injury quite that bad before arm near my arm might my son had a broken arm needed pretty decent job on that arm the problem I think with clavicles is where they are is just it's very it's a very awkward spot and in that just means it is just quite a long recovery time and dumb yeah it's arm yet although I'm obviously upset before Sadie I'm very sorry to hear about that how that went down and how you went down arm I'm glad you're on the mend on a still a long road ahead of you but to arm our year just to me it's a highlights the arm the sorts of things that you have to face when you're riding a bicycle or you know any other unprotected mode of transportation and if the findings of gone over in my mind since you told me the story before about what you could have done differently if you're wearing certain protective equipment would your prevented it and I'm sad I'm sorry to say that there really doesn't sound like there's much that you could have done to prevent it without a lot of that there is much aware protective equipment that would protect the collarbone no because the the impact was the impact arm there it was maybe if I guess maybe you know with with some proper training or or catlike reflexes you can teach yourself dirt to roll in the mid-areas of the land differently O'Donnell S you but there's a limit to how much pretty rare and I think a lot of people spent a lot of time prepping for that they know how to go down correct you know I mean even stuntmen break bones even though they have training in the had lots of practice and how for well and everything there is a limit to what you can pull off the contortions that you can pull off as well well okay obviously I hope that you have a quick recovery and that some in that time you're out of pain shortly and that you're able to get use of your arm back again and that in all that is arm at that that doesn't sound pleasant at all arm and then hopefully you get back on the back on the bike again if that is gonna do all round if you stick to the elliptical row are the majority of water I should say I really miss my Rory and I really look forward to getting back on a bicycle to the available bicycle yes YIII like being a guy like a motor transportation sort of these exposer gets around as others go to fast down but the days of the big feeling of freedom that comes from yes just open area baking yet absolutely in and the freedom as it is a beautiful thing and that's is very natural and I like that so all right look thank you for sharing that arm will keep going through them arm key going through to arm to the next item after bicycles arm by have more sound safety in general so will just get through the the Segways next which is arm the most safety gear people generally put on the Segways is to helmet arms and people wear protective gloves as well and hover board and ECs but it takes about same sale for 20 seconds put on and take off and if you put me in arm pads on same kind of thing as if it was a push board exactly the same kind times you this is really the problem was that I look for statistics about injuries on Segways of awards and electric unicycles this is not enough out there arm there really just aren't enough out there to getting meaningful statistics at this point maybe it will be at some point but you know just there's nothing so couldn't find anything arm right motorcycles on the other hand there is a lot of information on them riding without safety gear is just really really really bad idea arm that is but the downside is if you put all safety gear which will talk about a minute it could take an extra 20 minutes to get dressed and then get changed again when you reach your destination as a real-time suck so the one statistical quote in 2013 motorcycles had 26 times more fatalities per mile than for cars 26 times more doubters desisting about that for a second that's scary you here we've actually gathered a lot of places around your late rally now we don't have a helmet monomer recycle that's also scary for Aguirre link we actually did at one point I think they are they actually repealed and then just scanner scary as you think as ran down the road on a motorcycle I've seen people in unit's jeans and a T-shirt polluting new blue jeans and T-shirt a few people in shorts and a T-shirt and is ago that that that comes to work that sometimes doesn't work helmet ASM about any mistake at bottom line is direct as most of the time of day anyway that matters shifts okay year alone I know is not on our couldn't do it I can't words are working on that comment all right I guess the great thing about cars and safety no additional safety gear is required unless you can see belt that in a down to bringing with you you don't change any special the total time it takes to be safe is five seconds to put on your seatbelt and take off when you don't these days most cars got 56 star safety rating to re-baseline safety ratings nowadays because because becoming so safe how to differentiate one that's already really safe to being one is really really really really really safe is getting harder now if you so if you want to go on a high speed and be safe as possible be in a car non-motorbike before dinner the problem I guess with what's safe and what's not when you're unprotected is down to opinion versus law and a lot of what's been mandated by law only happens after lots and lots of people die first which is you honestly, the wrong way around but anyway so done a lot of thinking lately about what's safe and what isn't and why and I think you can break down the transportation systems as we categorised arm previously is protected or exposed but so wherever a driver or passenger is not protected by anything from impact from weather conditions and so on that that's actually when it gets tricky so usually they're only primary supplementary restraint systems that is no seatbelt is no pretensions no airbags no couples owns no head rests J which dose of whiplash this is nothing so would consider those were fully exposed what can you what what kind of injuries can you get so when considering safety for these if I guess a few class events and you could consider arm since your options at a very high level are just a collision are just a collision or a fall so you've got a sliding or sudden stop so if you're coming off as a sudden stop momentum is mass times velocity obviously so your speed makes a huge difference to that detective clothing is almost irrelevant because your body mass wants to just keep going and all that energy is gonna rupture something internally or break a bone even if you don't get a single car on you and this is where I feel like in your case you had no chance you mean it's like you foul your entire body weight gravity pulls you down whack get a bad angle energy got nowhere to go it doesn't matter if you wherein unless already and somewhere to go into snaps split out your arm in a psych unless you're going around in bubble wrap bubble wrap is your only saving grace and now no one that's not gonna work because that that makes it then unusable for going around bubble rack you can icy doing came move your arms so soccer would be pretty hot sweaty to yes I think ventilation will also be a concern burning here a week ago on as big as all ball singalongs you have a ball inside a ball is run around acting like a hamster and all right soap but was sliding and sudden stops expect lots of bruising at low speeds and high speeds expect to visit the hospital here year or noninvasively had to be a very HB I was gonna say in your case you happen to low speeds so you should rethink that one but you definitely bruising something's gonna rupture sums gonna break sliding and sudden stops like sudden stops very bad the next kind of injury you get from a collision reforms can be like an eye on the total kind of surface that you hit so let's talk about abrasive or smooth surfaces our human's human skin really is that tough it just isn't falling on a smooth surface means you're much less likely to tear it up like your exposed skin is not gonna log to get torn to pieces and you're more likely to slide or roll around in impact but abrasive services like tarmac or otherwise known as bitumen they're meant to have a lot to grip the tyres so if you hit them big in a grip on your skin to and is rip it off the a.k.a. gravel rash road rash where Vienna call lots of large patches of bloodied skin difficult painful recovery because you can't sometimes even just the fabric of your closing because it like I had a plethora rash on my shoulder and it didn't even unite any termination or anything it was just from the show between the pavement and may or may shoulder right idea so the next kind of surface is the obvious soft or hard falling on something soft and cushiony impact is can reduce the effect of the impact but it spreads out the force of the fall in our cause less damage but generally speaking when the writing writing a hard surface whatever it might be an falling on a hard surface obviously is your worst-case lots of bruising potential internal injuries the next consideration when you have a collision or a fall in this case a fall is gonna be the height above the ground so the lower you are the ground you don't have as far to fall it as much potential energy dissipate so the lower you are the less injured you gonna be the high you are the less stable you can be as well generally so it's gonna be a bigger injury to high you are above the ground so the next thing the last one I want to consider is the impact of the device you're riding or driving and its crushing or impact with you as a secondary event so for example if you fall off a motorcycle and that motorcycle then falls on you it can create new right so if your vehicle falls on you or drives over you and it's bigger and lower as you fawn the bigger it is the sharper or heavier it is the more secondary damage it's gonna do to you so you may survive the fall she won't survive getting crushed by a motorbike so obviously that's a problem now protective gear arm starting with the worst case will start with a worst-case scenario work our way down sofa motorbike riders people generally have fullface helmets that can protect your brain and you face in your mouth and your teeth if you fall off and face plant the road motorcycle boots have got generally generally have reinforced steel in some cases the design with extra thick materials no laces that prevents getting hung up arm and a generally waterproof because you you're right in all weather conditions and there's even a European standard EN 13634 and they recommend that your clothes comply with that standard protective plants another project depends on our example but have a stronger fabric thick materials they withstand hearing on asphalt they'll be reinforced or have padded either plastic or steel kneecaps dead generally designed also be heat resistant in case you get involved in a fire because the gasoline leaks and you catch on fire and also to protect you against being burned by the exhaust and the motorbike riding jackets again stronger fabric thick materials they withstand hearing once again and body armour as in like plates woven into them particularly around your elbows you back in your chest to protect you against impact point point impacts and potential crushing finally of course gloves padded again stronger materials webbing between the fingers to stop your fingers from being ripped off that's kind of important and hardened knuckle protectors seriously someone punched you with one of those it meant it would hurt anyway so in short the amount crap you put on it effectively walking into a almost mediaeval style body armour and instead protect you if you fall which hopefully doesn't happen very often but you really need to since you're practically always gonna be going at high speeds in a motorbike I mean if you even going around town at 35 miles an hour that's plenty fast and and and that is still a course some serious injury if you fall and crushing damages it is a risk no matter how fast you're going on a motorbike so the problem also is your driving and a motorbike in amongst many many tons of heavy moving machines trucks cars forward drives pickups all that stuff and your own vehicles is also very heavy and will crush you if you make a mistake right so there's nothing to consider as well and that's stability this is something I been thinking about a lot more especially with respect to unicycles so bicycles motorbikes have all got forward back stability since they have two wheels in line one from the other if you need to stop the front wheel will brace you and will assist you in reducing your speed before impact which will generally reduce the severity of your injury now in your case the front wheel slipped out from underneath you say you lost all that ability to brace on that and just went straight down the pavement so obviously depending upon the kind of emergency stop this happening depends on how useful that is but generally speaking that will be the case for most of the trust stop a hurry now with a Segway that's entirely up to the controller to self balance that if you need stop in a hurry but if it fails or if the battery runs flat or something and it won't then also the motor has a talk limit as well so if you put up against at some point with a full Segway you got a handle bar to brace with the hover boards and lecture unicycles don't solve you fall you can fall forward and you're on your own now if you're riding a bicycle and your Road why aren't you wearing all the same protective gear as a motorcyclist me think about right you are in the same environment as a motorbike except the freeway but that seriously big heavy things will still hit you you're still a fawn asphalt the only differences are your top speed and your bicycle isn't as heavy as the motorbikes of the bikes knocking across you most likely my get tangled in it but it's not a crusher but still if you're going at a reasonable rate of knots and is quite possible to do right as you as you've said before 30 miles an hour no problem but you know what you fall off that and you not wearing any protective gear then it's gonna hurt you so I mean on a bike maybe can compromise and say no do away with the boots on the jacket but at least we are long pants along shirts probably good idea a helmet and absolutely a helmet and gloves right that's it you can get what intuitively if you were to look around at all the evidence and all the facts that I put down the table you would say I would wear all that and I wouldn't think twice because you that makes perfect sense but hammy cycles where anything other than shorts and T-shirt and if you're lucky they were a helmet there in so if you're strict and you only riding bike parts to get away from the heavy object problem you never go faster than 25 km an hour 15 miles an hour then maybe that's fine in maybe that is fine but always wear a helmet because it doesn't take much of a bounty had to kill you that's the day of the truth yelling to consider is how high you are off the ground so you about the same height as a motorbike but on a bicycle you're actually higher than Segway so if you're in a Segway hover board our lecture unicycle you are actually less likely to get injured from potential energy because you close the ground which is something to consider but if you're riding a swag way electronic electric unicycle whatever you're rewriting always wear a helmet even if it's not required to by law and it is here but even if it isn't well anyway my advice beware long pants they save my legs plenty times always wear if you fall forward is in you and you going faster than you can run comfortably then wear gloves that cover the palms of your hands at least because believe me that will help arm may be without risk protector and it you like the solid plastic arm embedded in the gloves and wrist guards if you go faster 35, is now 20 miles an hour start thinking about knee pads and elbow pads and long sleeve shirt and finally feeling really really fast and get stupid by 50 forms an hour 31 miles an hour, thing firstly going so you're crazy but secondly get a full face helmet because of those sorts of speeds if you come off the face plant your arms will have enough time to get up to cover your face and doubly scraping off the pavement when you face plant and you need some serious reconstructive surgery after that you so again having said all that if you come off of those speeds and a bicycle you're higher annual property hurt more you're likely break something from pre-much all the same reasons sortie think anything else you are sound safety are not just just deftly take the time to protect yourself and bend train after the circuit because by the accidental diarrhoea when they do happen they can really happen you exactly and any other thing to keep in mind also is if you're consciously can choose not to wear protective gear that's okay just don't go fast and stay off the roads but but people don't okay almost at the end costs so push boards a basic long boards message back about three and a box thereabouts apart from the parts wearing out dozen crossing run is much the same for a skateboard or scooter bicycles are basic commuter bicycles probably about 200 bucks it's cheaper if you're following one juggling to 50 bucks at now obviously you can get 2000 bicycles write normal people don't buy those only only people that want to go as fast as possible or impress their workmates or are as I said before mammals if they can afford that they can afford lycra and the work to anyhow that's their problem and mind if I have a look at anyone in mind that some bicycles apart from basic maintenance and cost nothing to run that's why the magic anyway electric bicycles basically bikes can set you back about 600 bucks arm if you're folding one an extra hundred at least now part in their maintenance costs being pronounced in the bicycle the charging costs have to be considered as well but it's really not a big number and it does depend on the range so full range full charge minibike with about 25, arranged about $0.25 absolute worst case and usually is less some additive facilities will give you lock-up points the bike and off recharging as well as I mentioned before in some cases it will cost you nothing but not always depends okay Segway's net every Gbyte they are mean really a Segway I to SE personal transporter from no drum roll will cost you $6000 SOS care so cheap I'll have three I mean that out like that's really really out and you can buy a super ultra cheap car for that but seriously that's a lot of money a razor hover board or Cahaba tracks will cost about 400 bucks a nine baht one S1 electric unicycle the cost about 500 bucks on the Costa charge is independence is the battery pack obviously are most quotas costing the time between $0.25-$0.50 in the absolute worst case that's for a full recharge now same, through electric bicycles often you can charge your work if you really want and then accosting enough in any way or key motorcycles entry-level motorcycle of what same are 10 grand I guess you know thereabouts but the sky's the limit right when I was a little higher what you consider that a million and do you yet true maybe 15 grand Abbe disguise liniment you can buy motorbikes for six figures if you crazy arm fuel costs a lot of money not go in there I've been there and done that if you listen to older episodes go for it because you have to register it though and generally insure it as well that's a few extra hundreds or even thousands of dollars a year depending upon your age where you are what country arm your driving history that something else that none of the other forms of transport have other than cars of course an entry-level new car again 1015 grand and skies the limit you can buy sulphur in a million-dollar calf you really want arm apart from that same kind deals motorbikes in terms of running costs insurance registration all other stuff there enough okay so let's wrap this up then so what we conclude from all this the idea of multimode travel is that no one method all on its own is best but rather a combination of methods is best and why say best I mean the most efficient overall and the reason want to go over all of this was to work through the different approaches you can take and in the end I'm having anyone can refine their commutes and have something else to consider after listing this episode so for long-range travel there is no doubt that if you're trying to minimise your commuting time a car or motorbike are probably your best choices if you're travelling during rush hour then obviously if you can do public transport over the main leg and is less likely to suffer from any issues like congestion car will always win the flexibility game because it's the farces on the road but as I said the Luzon traffic jams they're expensive to own operate and maintain but then again they're also the safest option motorbikes are cheaper run than a car but they're still expensive this slow down by traffic does much of the car but they just aren't very safe and the time it takes to put the safety equipment on and off increases the commuting time that you're saving so I'm not entirely sure there's a win there for shorter distances you cheapest option is always gonna be a bicycle if you're looking for the best blend of sweat reduction in flexibility than electric bicycle is probably your best choice because you can ride on right if you want to they don't need to be insured you need a license and I need to be registered now long boards find if you don't mind breaking a sweat but bicycles are far more efficient and it's really hard to compete with that now if you down to the last leg or the first leg arm then long boards may make sense because they're easy to stow then again if you wanting more compact that doesn't break a sweat you can carry with you then don't look past small Segways like boards or electric unicycle is because a small electric unicycle goes the same speed electric bike is low to the ground small models will fit your bag and backpack that too much trouble and finally over summary sort of word on safety I think sort of tie bonus if your exposed stick to the footpath's the bike paths are cycleways and don't go stupidly fast unless you're wearing good safety equipment even if it's a bicycle because you not invincible in the end though in the end at lower speeds bicycles hover board Segways use these long boards if you ride them in the same environment they're pretty much just as safe as each other but once you start going faster you're better off in a bicycle if you don't mind wearing more safety gear it's pretty much a wash as to which is safer we think think that about covers cool man all right wanted more about this you can reach me on mastodon at GG and all invite engineered to see show related announcements into the best way they can pay me on Twitter at writing well once again a special thank you to our patrons and big thank you to everyone and as always thank you all management here and I could�
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Vic Hudson

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John Chidgey

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