Pragmatic 38A: Watch This Time and Space Follow-up 1

30 November, 2014


Follow up (Part A) to Watch This Time and Space where we address durability of mechanical watches vs quartz watches, accuracy, using the band as a charging point, batteries and cameras and whether a smartwatch without an always-on face is a failure.

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This pragmatic follow-up part a of episode 38 watch this time and space on John Geagea enjoining me is Vic Hudson has going Vic Abbott for Gerdes follow-up for the month of November is sponsored by harvest harvest lets you start stop a timer for any task you might be doing anyway might be doing a mobile device desktop web browser and sign seeking track of your time if you doing client work it's handy to know what projects and tasks are taking your time but even better you can use that information to create invoices directly to harvest which integrates easily with PayPal and striped checkout harvest and get harvest or one and sign up for free for a free 30 day trial and start tracking your time and invoicing others simply and painlessly watch a 30 day trial is over and he realised how great harvest is use the coupon code pragmatic at checkout and you'll also save 50% off your first month that applies to any of their plans hurry though because this offer expires on January to 15th 2015 okay got a recent matter feedback about this episode icily cover some of it while Rall actually and are the first bit of feedback comes from Mark Clinton Phillips via the feedback form and our eyes want to quote some of what he says are in his fitness feedback I kinda feel that you gave pocket watches the short shrift I have the episode feeling as if they were lousy timepieces in America they had a railroad standard pocket watch which was allowed a maximum of 30 seconds variation over the course of a week and I would call that pretty damn accurate my dad has an old Elgin pocket watch the express Elgin allergen module even today it still keeps time to railroad standard so they were built to last okay so I guess there's two pieces to that comment and there is a link that are Clinton provided are to the railroad chronometer which I will be in the show notes to this two pieces this durability and accuracy so on with respect to durability I realise I didn't actually cover durability much in the episode it wasn't really the point of the episode I'm happy to do is mention it now as part of follow-up but to be honest durability is is all relative gait is an is it I guess it's unfair to compare something that is 100 years of history more advanced technologically than something from the site if if I'd built something in 1900 and I will something in the year 2000 you you would expect that there would be some kind of an improvement in 100 years and there was if you take a G shock and Elgin watch and hit each them with a hammer I know which ones go survive and which one won't and it ain't gonna be the Elgin watch sorry it just isn't so durability is kinda relative and is I think that if if mechanical watches invoice can have a soft spot forum you know there's a quaintness about them there is the she may be a humanness about them I do know is some sentimental value simply because it around for a long time I'm not sure Revlon time but they had too many delicate moving parts inside them ever ever be as durable as a course watch the doesn't know and when it went when a course what is inside a G shock as you shall either stand a chance the mean you can argue I guess with any kind of core course watch any battery driven watch you leave in battery inside there eventually it'll leak you know and you'll damage the watch and that's true that said you have similar kind of thing if you have the mechanical watching the sun the wind and the rain is just working to me I know that their different value mechanisms but really what's the conclusion that you draw from that from a durability point of view you take care of you things that can last doesn't matter which technology you use but if you're looking at the jury about the durability of a device in terms of an instantaneous disruption to its well-being where that is going submerged underwater water splashing on it it being dropped being hit by hammer a mallet wand doesn't matter you know that's really in my mind the measure of durability beyond whether or not things are built to last if you take care of them they will last and I guess then you get this discussion of well similar tricycle capacitors and capacitors of God is like a some capacitors of the limited lifespan some electronics a limited lifespan for sales springs and watches you know and we will be doing a mechanical watch me I stop working you would go to a watchmaker and they would make it work again how would they do that well you know in the same fashion in which a 1984 McIntosh might have a couple of The Board Are Literally Caps of Dried out to Get a Soldering Iron out All Soldering Iron Depending or Country Living yet Exactly the Same Devices Pronounced Differently but Anyway and You Get Your You Get Your Hot Iron Stick out and You Melt the Solder or Dishonour Your Place at Any Point You Want in and Away You Go You Ought to Get Hebrew You Know It's the Electronic Equivalent of the Mechanical Taken into the Watchmaker so I Know What Was the Point on the Durability Side I'm Not Really Sure What the Point Is to That Honestly I Think That the Modern Watches Are More Durable Not All of Them Just the Ones That Are Designed to Be and I Will Always Be More Durable in Terms of an Instantaneous Disruption to Their Well-Being and I'm Struggling to Find a Good Generic Way of Saying That That Chaotic Cow That Sounds like It's the Best Solicitor What Accuracy Does the Second Thing That That Dirk That Clinton Is Feedback Car Called Me out on the Accuracy so for Its Day Yes 30 Seconds per Week Is Awesome but You Competitor to a Course Movement Is Terrible Everything Is Relative and a Course Movement Has 100 Years of Loyal of Technology Building up to It Is Not a Fair Comparison at the Time Yes Sure It Was Accurate I Was Not Saying during the Episode That You Know Mechanical Watches Were Horrible in Terms of Accuracy Everything Is Relative and I'm Comparing It to the State-Of-The-Art Today Which Was More the Point so Yes Indeed Arm III Think That Israel I Have Just Listen Back to the Episode Previously As Is Preparing for Follow-Up and Honestly Are What I Said Was the Mechanical Watches Have a Have Reliability Issues and Accuracy Problems They Can Gain or Lose A Few Seconds Every Day and That's Their Best That's the Best Mechanical Watch Can Ever Provide Does That up to up to 30 Seconds a Week or Year It Could Benefit Less Than 30 Seconds Is That Good Enough Well Railroad Standard Says Yes It Was Good Enough by Modern Standards It's Not Good Enough so Again Not Really Sure What Else to Say about That Arm Causes the Way the Future Are Mechanical Watch Is the Way the past That's That Is Reality Are I I Am Actually Do Understand the Sentimentality of Saying This Is an Old Mechanical Watch It's Work for 100 Years It Still Keeps Reasonably Good Time I Get That but Putting That Next to a G Shock That Loses One Second Month at Most a Mean Seriously Which Is the Better Timepiece and Don't Get Sentimental on Me so Objectively Pragmatically You Would Choose the G Shock Is Would Person Next Feedback Rust Newcomer by the Feedback Form Had Questions regarding the Charging and the Connector on the ER Apple Watch Now He Said That's Asking a Question They Already Have Interchangeable Bands Why Not Shape the Charging Connector Crying As Email One of St the Charging Connector like One of the Band Connections and Put in Their Question to Those Faultless Questions I Question Was Is the Stress from the Ban on the Connector and Issue Short Answer Is Yes but to Delve into More Bit More If You Were to Do That If You Put Our Battery or If You're Putting a Charging Connector or Anything inside the Band Then You're Gonna Bump up the Price the Band Straightaway Is the Oblong Complexity Added to It yet Exactly If You Got an All Metal Band That Makes It Even More Comply Complicated Because Any of Got What You've Got Your Run in a Got Installation Plus Conductors so You're Going It's More Complicated and so If You Have Interchangeable Bands It Makes Sense to Keep the Bands a Simple Durable and As Cheap As Possible and Then Upsell Them a Mark up You Know and Then Slog off Remit Made It Cynical but Honestly I Do with RAM You Tell Me That I Do That Italian Cardiac or CO2 That You Meal That That's How Leather Band on an Expensive Watch That Costs 30 Bucks to Make at Most an Asset of the Really Exotic Materials They Charge Hundreds of Dollars for Using Apple Is Not Gonna Do That You Mad Because They Can Do That Just 30 Bucks from Buddy Cable for God's Sake Anyway so There's a Disincentive of the Gonna Do That As a Disincentive for Them to Put Tech of Any Kind in the Bands Because the More Tact They Had the Harder the Upsell I Think so You're Far Better off Keeping the Tech Out Of the Bands Charging a Ridiculous Amount of Money for It and Then Examine All Bets That Their Pricing Model Includes a Reduced Cost of the Actual Watch Unit and an Increased Cost of the Bands so As When You Pineapple Washable Become of the Band and You Get Pick One Maybe I Do Know You Pay More to Get a Better Band but Their Banking on People Either Pay More to Get a Better Band or Their Banking People Are Buying Multiple They Are Exactly so You Know I Wouldn't Be Surprised That Factors into Their Pricing Model Not That I'll Ever Find That Outback Nominal Delay except It Was a Surprise That Apple May Be down Though Now It Also Made Me Think about Using the Band As Arm for a Purpose Other Than That It Being a Band and I Thought Well You Know There's Putting a Battery in a Band or Using the Banners As by Fixing a Camera to Which Is What They've Done with the Galaxy Year Now You Look at Those Those Bands Are All Fixed to the Watch Body They Can't Be Changed Because Ultimately No Matter How You Slice of the Connection between the Band and the Actual Watch Itself You If You Were to Make That a Connection Can Be Made Made or Broken Then the Potential for a Bad Connection between the Band and the Watch Would Prove Far Too Problematic I Think Because Gunk Grime It's Gonna Build up While She Is an Inductive Charger They Know That You Know Your Phone Does Not Go through the Shower with You Somebody's Watch Might You Know It's Not It's on Your Wrist Your Wrist Is Exposed When a Roundabout When It Rains When You Sweat Phones Typically Aren't in Contact with the Skin There in a Pocket but This Thing Is Always in Contact with Your Skin It's Gonna Pick up Grease and Grime in Dust and Dirt and All Sorts Gunk and It's Going to Affect Physical Contacts That Assist Reality As You Want Evidence of That Anyone's Water Watch Have a Look in the Groove between the Watchband and the Watch Itself You Will See Gunk in Their Gate Ross Follow-Up Question Has Does the Antenna Size Limitations in a Smartwatch Being You Being so Some Such Small Restraints That Put a Crimp on GPS and Cellular Connectivity Short Answer Yes but Ultimately Not so Much a Big Deal Solar GPS I Will Focus on GPS, on the Cellular Side of Things Go Just Look at the Size of the Antennas on Your Some of These Phones Are Tiny so Is Not Much of a Difference but I on the GPS Side Is Interesting Because GPS Data Is Encoded in the Signal and the Decoded Data Is Used for Positioning Not Signal Strength As Long As Your Receiver Is Sensitive Enough That You Can Overcome the Fact That You're Getting Less and Less Signal Because You Have a Smaller Antenna Are You Will Still Get an Accurate Position It's Not As a Showstopper Especially If You're Outdoors You're a Clear View of the Sky and Potentially the Horizon You Know Then You're Gonna Get a Clear Signal on the Watch Just As Clear As You Can Get on the IPhone the Offers Can Be Better Bigger Antenna Sure More Signal Strength Is Not Affected When a Roundabout If You're in a Building Is Still a Struggle That If Your Knife Radical Smartwatch Doesn't Matter You Must Struggle a GPS Signal Because You Will Get a Stability by Mary You Really All Either Everyone Exactly and the Link Budgets That They Use When Designing the System a Small Antennas That Heavily Loaded Will Still Be Good Enough to Receive a GPS Signal GPS Receivers Are These Days Are Quite Sensitive Maybe There Was a Time and That Wasn't the Case Back with a GPS A Lot Of First Launch Certainly Not the Case Anymore Technology Has Moved Forward so Few More Comments about the Episode Gestural Comments I Heard or Read There's a Bit of a Narrative Going around Several Blogs That I've Read and A Few Tweets I Watch with an without and Always Displayed Face Is a Failure Be Seen As the One Mr Going around All Our Night of the World the Cons the Idea Is This so If This Normal Watch I Can Look at the Watch and I Can Tell the Time Whenever Right Always on from Whatever Angle It Doesn't Matter If I Move My Wrist Doesn't Matter If I Very Slowly Rotate My Wrist It Doesn't Matter If I Hold My Arm up to a Mirror to Check the Time I Guess I Could I Doesn't Matter from Holding My Wristwatch up to Someone Else to Look out without Moving My Wrist Very Much or All You the Screen Is Always for the Want of a Better Description Illuminated on Is Not Eliminated on a Traditional Watch of Course You Unless It's Got a Side Lightness Nighttime but Now It's Working of Reflected Ambient Light Anyway the Point Is That It's Always on the Want of a Better Description but Your Say Battery Life Well You Don't Leave the Screen on All That Long Went through the Mouth on the Album the Episode so the Issue Is That Some People Saying While You If You're Not Displaying a Face All the Time the New Connor Failed to Look at a Pebble That's Always on and Some of the Other Ones Are out There Always on Now Thinking about This I Think That Really Is a Problem Now That They've They've Already Served As a Sensor in There That's Supposed to Activate When Every Reason You Look at It Exam so Hit so the Issue Is to Follow Appleby One of the Companies That Would Get There Probably the Best What May the Proximity Sensor and Stuff on the IPhone Works Really Well Most of the Time I'm Not Totally Sold Vic on the Same Maybe Maybe Not but I Think That the These People That Are Making This This Comment Only It Comes Back to Their Actually Concerned about Two Different Things It's Not That the Screen Is Always off Ice Is Not Always of That It's Not Always on It's the Fact That There I Think That the Concern Is That the Wrist Movement Will Be Armed to Subtle for the Accessory. Yes for the Accelerated Accelerometer Detector That Movement so If You Creep Your Wrist around Really Really Slowly Maybe Is Not Enough to Trigger the Light to Come on the Maybe Maybe Second Potential Concern I Think That They Got Is That It Takes Real Time to Turn a Screen on What That Target Time Is Too Long so You Know It's like Once the Move and the Wrist Begins You Will Attend That Screen As Soon As You Can but What If It Takes Too Damn Long so When I Go and I Have Either of These Issues and to Get These in Our Hands or More Accurately on Our Wrists and Even Then You False Reaction Time of Reaction Settings and the Rest Move the Sensitivity I'm Sure This Can Be Adjusted over Time As More and More Samples Are Brought in and More Customer Complaints Happen Are You by Apple the Maven Be Configurable by the User Seem to Recall That Some Settings Are Now the Instant on Screen Tricks That Apple Plays They Been Doing for Years Already on the Mac on IOS It's Nothing New and It Works Relatively Well Such That Most People Can't Tell the ABSA Doing It so You Know You'll Be Your Fire up and out You Actually Get a Screen Dump of Its Last Active State like a Static Image Right and You Know This Year Your As an App Developer Rate so All It's Doing Is It Swapping out the Background and Then You Go Live at Some Point Yesterday Been Doing This Further Ages They Would Do the Same Thing on the Watch to Make It Appear As Though Is Loading Faster Than It Is to File Another Etiquette October Milliseconds of Delay Anyway While I Don't Know If It's Milliseconds or Not While I'm Saying Is That When People Complain about This Staff It Just Gets Me Thinking What I Actually Concerned about Because I Can't Think of Any Use Case Other Than Your Wrist Does Not Move You Then Are at a Table in the Conference Room I Say Some Way so You Know What Hayden Bob across the Hall or Bob across the Table Fred across the Table Whatever or Cynthia Wever's Matter Here Read My Watch I Can't Screen Is Not on You Know It's like Will However Doesn't Actually Happen and Even If They Did Happen Shaky Wrist Given a Flick in No to Shake Several of the Lambs Wrist or Something Clever except in the Chair to That Maybe This Introduces 11 the Screen Turns on Excessively Are of Course That's the Compromise Is If It Is on Tomb If It's on to Its Two Centres on Too Much or despite the Battery Anyway Okay More Things so Are Following a Show I Post A Few Comments on Twitter That I Saw As I Was Sitting in Meetings at Work When I Was Our Rising Public like at the Shops on the Train on a Bus and I Counted How Many People Were Wearing Watches MIF Completely Statistically Invalid Informal Poll That Should Not Be Relied on As an Indicator of Anything As Primitive a Disclaimer Could Throw at the Statement in Public about Half the People Will Watch Now in Engineering Software and Hardware Engineers Tend to Be More like about 1/4 of Them People Tend to Use Their Phones but in Management He Was Interesting Thing Three Quarters of Them by Far and Away the Majority Tended to Wear Watches and Lend Some Credence to the Idea That There Is a Market Segment Where Wearing Watches As a Fashion Statement Has Nothing to Do with How Good It Is Telling the Time or Anything Else for That Matter It's Just It's It's Either a Luxury Item Number yet It Is Is and Is an Ensemble Choice and It's a Fashion Decision Which What Shall I Wear Today to This Board Meeting Hark I Shall Wear the Rolex You Know Whatever Right in Shall Be Rolex in the Point Is That If It's a Fashion Statement I Don't Care Because If the Apple Watch Is Not Practical beyond Being a Fashion Statement of His Fashion Saviour to Get like the Goldwater Whatever May Be a Get My Argument That the Stainless One If It Matches Your Other in a Fashion Accessories I Guess on a Number Fashion Guy Whatever but the Point I'm Making Is That It's Not Gonna Succeed or Fail Basements Fashion Statement It's Gonna Succeed or Fail Basin Is Usability Now I Cannot See Apple Going down the Same Path As a Rolex Because You Rolex Have Sold Themselves on a Whole Bunch of Other Features That That That Apple Cannot Compete on so I Can't See It Ousting Those Sorts of Incumbents in That Sense What They Can Do Is I Can Either Wait Some of Their Market Share in Her Eldest Maximum Marketshare Car Anyway Anyway so If You Want Would Also Respond of Their Own Mini Surveys and up One of Those People Are on Twitter Was Our Only Martin A.L. I Am a RTO and Are on Twitter and in a Full Room of 14 Program Is Only One Had a Watch and That Watch with a USB Storage Device Watch Is Pretty Geeky That You That's It to the Go I Suspect Will Be More Follow-Up after the Other Watch Comes out I Do It I Don't Have Too Much Else to Add about Watch Kid to Be Honest Because I Look at the Watch Could Stuff Might Ho-Hum Is Exactly What I Thought Would Be Dead by That There Is the Potential for It's Really Cool Stuff That It Is Still Counter Limited at This Point but I David Smith Pointed out It Is Limited but It's Not Anywhere near As Limited As What He Thought It Would Be for This Entry-Level I've Listened to I Imagine All the Same Stuff You Have on Others in the Developing Perspective of the State EPL Listen to Arm Core Intuition Where They Are All Touched on of Course and Is Honestly Made Arm near It's a Bit It's a Bit Restrictive but I Expected to Be There Arm and Is Honestly the Real True Groundbreaking Benefits Are Gonna Come from Native Apps and That's Document First Release That's I'm Sorry Miguel Is Much like the Overall Itself in a That We Didn't Get That the Hopefulness Decay Rate Away Either Web Apps Were All You Need Seeking Hair's You Still Have an Answer on Daily Pink and How Much Power It Takes to Turn Invisible I Just Assume That That Was Joke so No I Did Not I Do Not Have Announced the Question Although I Will Throw You and Answer Our Info Get If Infinite Info Divided by Zero Anyway Are All Right Good Lovely�
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Vic Hudson

Vic Hudson

Vic is the host of the App Story Podcast and is the developer behind Money Pilot for iOS.

John Chidgey

John Chidgey

John is an Electrical, Instrumentation and Control Systems Engineer, software developer, podcaster, vocal actor and runs TechDistortion and the Engineered Network. John is a Chartered Professional Engineer in both Electrical Engineering and Information, Telecommunications and Electronics Engineering (ITEE) and a semi-regular conference speaker.

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