Pragmatic 68: Paperless

9 January, 2016


We are closer than ever to a paperless office, and for John with the iPad Pro and Apple Pencil it’s time to actually try and see if it’s possible.

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Welcome to pragmatic discussion circle deploying the practical application of technology by exploiting the real-world trade-offs with our great ideas are transponder products and services can change our lives nothing is as simple as it seems pragmatic as part of the engineered network water shows including this one head over to our patron page and for other great shows visit today I'm your host on Gigi and I joined today by the Hudson Peter and Vic Gojo now you I am very good and I'm excited about the topic today are because it's one that I have been pondering for a great many years and it's only something that recently I think I can fly can feel that I could taste it is likely is so close to being a reality and I want to talk about the paperless office okay that that's that's like the restatement there are I guess it's because that term fixed got Norbert tongue in cheek which I want to talk about actually arm but I gotta start by sisters describing a problem that I have the amount have many problems with a specific problem is a problem at my desk is a mass like at work and at home more so at work though and are I've often wondered about why and if you look around my my desk at work it's there is paper paper everywhere and not a square space of desk left arm dozens of pans real estate was bulldog clips arm in terms of pans I've got a fine point panda medium point pan are I've got a waterman which is like a fancy pen I guess sort of fancy I know I'm not a pen addict or anything like that but hey are I've got gel ink Inc inky Inc different colours of ink you know Inc anyway arm I got liquid paper sometimes referred to as artefacts or whatever correcting tape weighed out in the states wide out there get another one sticky tape as no one Sellotape when I call it in a because these binders then your ring binder spiral binders then as folders like manila folders CEO neo-in the matrix he said the problem the problem is choice where he was wrong it's not choice the problem is paper right and that's what he would have said if you're looking at my damn desk it works and how what I have so much paper in my office okay and I say my office is not a cubicle and is in an office building site whereby something I don't have an office not that important okay so the only home out of this for now since my offices order of magnitude worse so I talk about is I would love to be able to say no more pens number paper it's all electronic but I haven't been able to do that for so long because while there's a whole bunch of problems so will will talk about that but I won't talk about how tablets stylus is software and synchronising services like sinking all that stuff for your all and how all the notes and everything are actually now staying to help me to finally after all these years. Using paper at my desk in like an engineering environment I actually think this is possible felt the long time has been so anyway it would be remiss of me are to not talk about a little bit of history about paper tests the house like a dumb worried stocker goes along this bit because I'm really not that thrilled by the history of paper and I can't imagine him yours is about what the hell he we going to get totalled about the history of of of writing on the arm episode 23 which is arm maximum arrays ability honestly I don't go to that again but just really quickly though the word paper is actually derived from the Latin are version above papyrus and that of course comes from the Greek up Papa Ross which is the word for Cyprus papyrus arm the plant cypress papyrus and although the word paper is derived from papyrus the two in terms of material is actually very very there produced completely differently papyrus is actually they they laminate are that the natural plant fibres into the like hashed like a pattern or strip pattern and its it was the preferred paper sought a lot paper like material I guess that the Egyptians used to riding on know when they were doing hieroglyphics not stoned stuff and whilst you paper Sue is manufactured from plant fibres there the plant fibres themselves rashly macerated in a tropical gazillion bits and dumb you pulped and glued in Preston so and so forth and change their characteristics quite quite significantly so paper is exactly made through a pulping process and they came from China in the second century A.D. but using wood pulp for making path what paper did Natalie come about in the mid-1800s that was when are all mechanised Industrial Revolution was happening and done it was a mechanically written originally was produced by water powered machines you like gum waterwheels and staff stuff and then eventually to steam powered machines but me I went when that happened it was becoming mass produced that made it cheap and coupled with the printing press that allowed mass production of newspapers and books in and change the world and yada yada yada and also messed up my desk so the gap and women stuck with ever since that's what it all started this just in awe it all went wrong man I will not really it went wrong for my desk I we know that much okay so arm lock into a history of pans arm slowly so totally not doing that arm Barts the stylus is actually kind of interesting and I say is interesting because the first known usage of a stylus was actually by the Mesopotamians now when I when I was doing research on this unlike wow that was a little while ago wasn't so the thing about Mesopotamia is it's actually arm was the is the site of the earliest developments of the Neolithic Revolution and that was around about 10,000 BC so well and truly predates paper by just a couple years because of course stylus as we used arm not for things like drawing on paper they were used for things like a pottery and so on so the stylus as it is known as it is today of course from the electronic age well is different but Mesopotamia lost actually really cool stuff came around that period of time you things like the wheel and remaining cereal crops cursive script/handwriting I guess our mathematics astronomy and agriculture all had a lot of their basis in that region of the world in that period so that a stylus as you you would see them today actually bears a striking resemblance to those ones that we used way back then course me personally first I have a lay my hands on was an original PalmPilot arm stylus which is the solid plastic junk arm that the act looks like a pencil but ain't are and I and a word as megacities tell me up by my dictionary ain't totally eight is really no okay this is how you landed out they had those that you can't do that now that my wife and I have this debate alight all right all my God I just type in ain't in in pages and I did a force On it and its it was quick and says ain't contraction and not are not is not usages if they broke don't fix it that said that said that they so get dammit you are I have word angry okay good word angry that's totally not a thing anyhow all right you know what thank you for that are inoperable is always nice to read some of his day ain't are a word okay great thank you my first grade teacher is now the first great she is what I do say my English teacher from grades nine and 10 is now really angry to probably and I wish you could always take my wave stands on a Seattle gift out of it to dictionary night is not a word something damn straight C like you like a style and thank you I am going to do that maintain a word all right so the Apple they just added it through an educated XQ hats with youth while okay all right if the loving chest well and that's I'm glad you that I should clarify that she never really hate me well most of the release okay put the shovel away Vic you dig in a nice deep hole there for yourself… Keep moving back on topic and that is the that was the first stylus I ever use are not counting light pens because these light pens back in the 80s but that was hilarious but that is not technically a stylus's anyhow all right the Apple Newton though was actually the first mass produced pseudo-popular tablet I say pseudo-popular some people love their newtons but most people didn't and out of mind that so arm hours by fascinating that Steve jobs can the PalmPilot and now we've got stylus on EI Amy Appelbaum are at a think the word you're looking for hilarious lately must've done the open-air parole – the iPad throwing it wrong again how so the resistive screens that was the way they used to be done with the two layers they produce an XY position where the two layers meet you can't do multitouch with a resistive screen because it can't figure out which of the two points touching at the same time are really white or yellow horrible you know and of course you get dead spots on the screens because they depress you to me times that we are out the contact between the screens you know and sometimes libraries in spring it was harder on you that the technology was terrible many it kinda worked it was okay but it was just so frustrating so you know how lawyer capacitive screens they finally figured out how to make them more accurate in Chiba and the and we have really looked back but that requires an a stylus that imitates are the effect of the human finger which is yada we are essentially a year I think if you will arm of the charge charge sink if you well I guess, how to explain that I do I go too much about how capacitive screens work better maybe for another show but not today so let's just say that the glorious and we want yeah pretty much the glorious except stylus is for it to have a decent stylus that is capacitive you either have to have an electrical connection from the tip all the way back into the hat onto the hand and into the body arm and if you got gloves for example you have conductive gloves that do the size of the same function know but either that we have to give that up and go with a powered stylus and a powered stylus a can of course imitate that effect are which is what the Apple pencil does mind you so quite a few other so anyway get ahead of myself so fundamentally arm let's just talk about paper and why our White Paper is arm attractive I guess our path making origami which is not signing I can't do iPad Pro and I can't I drive they will record when known and on the paper is cheap to manufacture paper is disposable you drop a piece of paper and I got a break half sedated the longest time paper was expensive to copy and clone and reproduce but not anymore photocopy assault that one solved in the credible paper interesting how that works paper however can be recycled it is easily transferable but only locally and that makes a good collaboration tool so no paper you know it I singles a single sheet of paper will take up less space than a tablet which is true but that doesn't seem to be the problem because once you add about half a ream of paper then you're well and truly taken more space than the tablet are paper though arm the basics can't be searched by an algorithm so it requires filing an organisation in order to reduce your data and information seek time which is of course not really the right terminology to use because that is the human eyes and is not a disk drive but whatever I get in there is no glancing for you. Yes that's true there isn't any cloud sink isn't and how different marking our implements are required to convey different kinds of information and reduce visual clutter that's not a problem I tablet dad to carry get one stylus you don't have to carry multiple coloured stylus is lost both for arm style reasons you could have two different coloured styli and paper cannot convey information without a marking implement tablets on the other hand technically can anyway so the whole thing about the paperless office right I sort of is been a joke after quite some time and just before I was born and just after you were born there was an article published on 30 June 1975 in business week that was the stuff you're born right are about six months the effluent treatment that thoughts are the galaxy I pay attention that it was ages arm and on the spreadsheet in the Excelsior were we are not yes possibly anyway it's all good that's fine everyone is happy are it's often attributed are the expression of the paperless office to the start of this article was published in business week way back then and the line it's often quoted some believe that the paperless office is not that far off because reality is someone probably said it before that but will never really know because they put in write-down of Britain who really cares all my life though it's been a running gag right so his is the scenario and the listed inverted air quotes there is the scenario the person I walked into the room points the desk is overflowing with paper and they say something like it's a good thing we live in the paperless office of the future and then they laugh curtains all surrounding them laugh as well because funding anyway whatever soap you know I have been well appointed as group and no no I'm just on finding a recycle bin to figure out what I can chuck out at this point anyway so arm alleged another quote though from arm Thomas Watson at IBM and the finding is actually quite a blessing quite a bit of contention over this accuracy of this quote if he actually did say this in the year that he said anyway so he said IBM dude says I think there is a world market for maybe five computers well that was the year it was pretty dumb thing to say in retrospect just five that's all that we need the wealth so a lot of people think you all on the same sort of comments like back in 95 the paperless office ha ha JoJo gear will never get rid of paper right so I guess it's absolutist and you should never be absolute about anything but the honest honestly though and I do think we need to start being arm that are like an expression like instead of saying is anyone that makes a really bad prediction about something we should give them like they are like that guy really pull the Thomas you know someone that you know like is that it is the really dumb prediction to make the news indirectly through all the executor you really pull the Thomas on the satellite like gum by Steve Balmer people Thomas on the iPhone and arm Ed Colligan the Palm guy he puller people Thomas on the iPhone as well is not as good a walk right in that I can figure it out and arm the iPhone will never be a mass-market success that they really put canal and that was caught Tom asked as opposed Thomas and I write to my ship within the urban dictionary you undermine it alright so may we regular paper entirely fine but like money alike as in cash it's fading away is the primary form of of of transacting currency so it's it's taking its time about it but is happening so eventually papers go wait in the background more and more as time goes on as more people use tablets and more you people gives better stylus is styli to do to take notes I honestly believe that that is the case however it's a sort of thing that I've been keeping cosigners for a long time in Oprah's as long as I can remember to see if the right software and the right hardware would come along and let me finally get paper and I think that I'm pretty much almost there if not there so in engineering arm we convey a lot of information through drawings diagrams markups all that stuff is all done with with by pain which is which sucks but you know at the same time it's how we communicate and it is more natural and easier to draw a diagram you with with some annotations than it is to type out the text equivalent so I guess I get the paperwork and electronic notes though so one thing is that electronic notes is that our list of pros and cons soap that the pros of electronic notes is that they are faster copy there either their quick and easy to share with anyone anywhere in the world they are absolutely searchable they take up are the same outer space and how much you store arm well within reason are one style has infinite colours and thicknesses and pen types of thing I mentioned before there is no exit is no smudging no dripping no mess but so is good can you tell about Penn's leak on me and I'm still better yes and here are fixed link well it was just you it's ruined shirts but all am saying about that so ink whatever the so fixing mistakes is faster as cleaner because you can just say I didn't do that right is it a raisin do it again you but says been true of word processors for years just now that styles and tablets are catching up so the same can now be true of handwritten notes that electronic handwritten notes however the flipside to cons are an individual page the individual cost per page of a note is far more a tablet than the cost of a piece of paper and a pen or is it will get that the minute in some professions signed Inc originals are required by legislation you can't get around that until the legislation is updated and of and it always lags behind technology just refer to causality in a titanic episode for causality for not listening causality you should be given shot it's on engineer network scratcher so they keep anyway the point is that yet that the legislation always lags and hopefully someday that will change another con stylus is a lot more fragile than a pen if you drop it in that is unavoidable hundred and $65 or Australian dollars which is whatever the $99 US for rental pencil versus five bucks in a backdrop that the year is a lot of money you drop it you broke every broken area no nitric that I treat that that Apple pencil better than I treat usually used a million-dollar question have you intentionally disassemble the arms no the this taking the Naboth count arm is still out in the middle) a notice of slacker that had actually seen a teardown the tenant of this thing that they don't want to ponder part it's like the repairability ratio of this thing is essentially it's unrepairable they had to arm back to grind the outside plastic as this as a as a line down the side literally had to tear it up to open enterprise open this thing is completely are you regularly way notes areas not so you and I will get that minute but you know I have not pulled partner and I wouldn't even try but I have at least taken in the bottoms that will look shiny bid is on me and I are right so our style is another con styles styles as are much heavier than a pen the actor stylus disaster special because they got electronics they got arm battery and fewer things so the thing I mentioned for the cost… Quickly run some numbers on the hay now it only makes sense to do this over the lifespan of a product so let's look at that way I just you know I could have gone to Staples but doesn't matter I've got Officeworks doesn't matter roughly 900% recycled carbon neutral A4 paper sheets are gay packed 500 so that's $5.83 Australian doesn't really matter but caught me a call that number arm I particularly like the uni-ball arm fine rollerball pens are younger for packet them from Officeworks in eight wishes to black one blue one red pen are for $15.20 those are good ones the ones that cannot delete they're the ones that give you nice fine precise line they're perfect for marking up engineering drawings arm and not the cheapest fence but they're still nice arm else anonymous expensive analyser as someone I'm sure would point out to me anyhow are 10 pages I print on average day or rather used to our five days a week 48 weeks year that's factoring in four weeks of farm sick leave and holiday leave each year roughly whatever so that's about five reams of paper are reamer 500 pages so that about $30 a year if you look at that your costs so as in a time I'll go through two sets of pens because I was go through the red and always go through the blue so I do another pack or another spare plaque at the end of the year and that's fine so whatever are they sure could couple gave away last so the total cost each year is about $70 Australian so if I was to have already had an iPad in my pocket knife had from a pocket the cost of the stylus on top of the iPad is an extra hundred 65 Australian marketer before 99 dollars US that will mean it would take about 2 1/2 years for me to break even so my stylus has to last me more than 2 1/2 years for it to be cheaper than using a paper and pens they can say that the false economy because in the end the paper supplied by work I supply my own pens because the work pens a supplier absolute rubbish the junk can't stand sorry register why is it that he also built that there is a quizzical good… Build a better life by stealing office supplies and make no don't you are crap you don't want them no one wants them don't take them in here by so just it just don't do it yet resist the urge to take the crappy pen just don't do it okay so this sorts of go back in action, calculation is a loving elaborate and include things like the IEEE Costa charged stylus from the negligible but still something and they also take into account the shipping costs of the paper into the building or the disposal or recycling cost when you leave the building if you shred the paper how much electricity is an issue the paper me I could go on for a long long time and trying to a true and when cost but let's just say that it's actually not that much more expensive if you take the tablet out of the equations of you already have the tablet then getting an expensive stylus like an Apple pencil you know it and usually not as bad as you might think provided you stop using the paper in the pens anyway arm and also obviously the assumptions of God in this matter is all based on my taste in pens but in engineering it's very common for engineers to do this because you like a Sydney defined marking pens Inc that dries quickly and doesn't run doesn't smudge it six has to be very fine and precise because some the markups we do in these drawings you know that they need to be as accurate as possible because then they go to the drafter the drafted mime doesn't the change the drafting and and did needs to be clean and your so most people discover a dollar pen from the supermarket all I actually do use the free one supplied by the company soapy note I do understand that that cost comparative point of view of who is entirely up to you buying your own staff paper and pens and works at about the same for the lifetime you'd expect out of styles which be by two or three years and anyway all right so I was thinking to myself as well as I was doing another the prep this episode is you were already going down this road this is not a new thing is been around for a while and was seeing more and more so how many times have you had a courier delivery package to you that you had signed for arm not as often as I would like to have same for them they usually do stop on the porch and run-off are but a few so so so so much blackberry of the times that that has happened have you ever signed for it electronically since becoming far more common these days when you do sign for staff and as a harbinger reasons for that but I also recently had my driver's license renewed as my five years was up and I sign my signature on a touchscreen are paper memos now they've essentially been replaced by emails I haven't seen a paper memo in years arm noticeboards that used to have stacks and stacks of paper on them with little bits of euro the are on your run noticeboard used to how you have like our 8/2 by 11 sheet of paper or a.k.a. A4 or thereabouts and on the bottom have a bunch of tearoff strips that you have got some consonants contact name and phone number you know that's the stuff's been replaced by Internet webpages and wikis in SharePoint and you like all those not like we don't have a noticeboard anymore no we don't we will it's all intranet so the move away from paper is already starting to happen in a lot in some areas and ideas can accelerate so okay in order for a tablet and stylus to be useful as a engineering as an engineering tool after me personally needs to solve several problems I've got first problem is I have to keep an engineering notebook that stores all of my sketches hand written as well as type notes in the one place that has to do that are electronically I have to be able to make accurate markups of PDFs usually are without losing resolution and one member that is that if I take a drawing balancing auto CAD and I printed on a three-page and I then get my red pen and mark it up and then ice have to scan that back in again and that loses resolution so then my lines aren't quite as sharp as they used to be and I send on someone else then they market up they scan it in they send it off again it get loses more resolution after about the sixth or seventh scanned the thing is a blurry blobby mass and its it's terrible so that needs to be something I have to be able to do is do that electronically serves no loss of resolution I need to be a create flow charts and diagrams quickly and easily as an account be any slower than doing it on a piece of paper for active solar problem arm whatever tablet I end up has to be portable enough meditate with me everywhere I go especially to meetings and I have to be able to physically signed documents either in word or PDFs as accurately as possible so those are problems I have to solve and the goals I guess also to eliminate some of the three issues I encounter every day work is I have to carry three pens everywhere are blue-black and a red and I just keep complaining they leak I also complain wide and complained on a complaint now that I lose them from time to time are they also run out of ink and while basically pen suck so anyway arm I currently have to print a document write my marcasite and skin and in and as I said before that destroys resolution and what is a problem also is that it makes original documents searchable so when you produce a PDF the PDF is actually a collection of bar of marked up text the city scan in as an image you can still create as a PDF but the PDF has an embedded image in it so that our longer text you can't search the text anymore so sometimes you have these hybrid documents where people sign the front page the signatory block on the front page of say no author John signed John a Kay arm checker who doesn't actually check that is read through it like a thousand miles an hour and don't even bother reading anything I know I'll fix your common upward in Oxford, and here or something like that where I thumbs up I reviewed it habit reviewing the content anyway the minor so arm yet so the front pages scanned the rest the pages the original PDF knife and a soap though and finally of course are making is my engineering notebook I need to take that notebook with me everywhere the problem is Assizes Ltd so I end up with doing as I move from book to book in a transitional box because that sale got a book the whole six months of my notes and it then it builds up money to get my next book for the next six months when I get my new book if I don't carry the old book with me for at least the first few months I have to if I can have no way of referring back to the notes I took the last week or two so I end up in my transitional months carrying to the neighbour into books you and it's so annoying anyway so these are the annoyances I'm trying to solve here so before I go and talk about the iPad are pro and what I've gone and invested in as I point out exactly it's not my first tablet those of you that have been following me for years will know that but for those that don't arm I started out with a PalmPilot that I actually wrote about software for arm palm desire at 71 mile 7172 are on the Apple side of things more recently I started out with the original iPad iPad 1R I've then had an iPad 2 and iPad air and iPad mini and iPad mini retina which I believe was renamed the iPad many to retrospectively retro reactively and I and now and iPad prior so stylus is I've had most recently I've had a Griffin two and one which is actually a combination pen and capacity stylus which worked well for about six months and then broke now doesn't work as a stylus anymore arm now what it was cheaper like 20 bucks anyway as again arm I think it's pronounced a dominant or Alice owner whenever a job pro and that's wasn't too bad a stylus is go out again a passive stylus and an active stylus I got first one is the Apple pencil so going paperless for engineering is mostly about stylus but the eight having a device that has a decent touchscreen keyboard would be a huge + little bit as well but anyway so arm have to ask the question have you played with and iPad Pro and all the Apple pencil at all a monopoly with them yet again cooked well I didn't jump into this without trying them a lot I icily hung out the Apple store well only rephrase this are a careful however as I hung out the Apple store more than usual Lego armoury and the trainer to do that here and extremely well at few trips over the Apple Store are left with something so I hear the other holes in my wallet were on the floor of the Apple Store but anyhow so anyway arm yes okay about the iPad Pro just a few basic things about the other stylus is first so I tried styles before and honestly I really didn't have much like the ones I like I'm in bed and work well the touchscreen keyboards as well I didn't really have much success so I was very sceptical from the outset I did I want to know before I put money into this thing there was actually gonna work properly so I know and I will be able to take a stab tablet and styles with me and not need a laptop or notebook you or a pen or pencil I don't want any of analyses the October tablet and be done so way back when I had not had many to and I also had the Griffin and the add-on at that point and I drew several engineered comic strips and I used arm I use software for doing a double check the name down arm I used ink flow plus was the software that I used and it was good software but the styles are sucked in a passive stylus as they went accurately lagged they didn't always detect the beginning of a stroke accurately and it was it was really really frustrating and difficult so I tried you and I also tried using milder iPad and soldiers at work and the two big issues are Coming up were the accuracy of the stylus and that the speed therefore after drawing markups and signatures and notes was effectively impossible addicts I found myself just going back and erasing and trying again before trying get it right like an actual three attempts sometimes even more to try and get the markups to be accurate and can correct the correct length and all that stuff is nope no press sensitivity night and my signature did not look like my signature in a ID signatures again and again and eventually I do is give up Mike this is ridiculous because signing my natural signature was too fast so I had to slow down and I wasn't really my signature and she slowed and how fast you sign your signature you change the dynamic of the signature the pen waiting and everything just doesn't do anything like it now the typing side of things was really slow because on the iPad's arm on the iPad the iPad one and two that had you buy once you had and three atomiser same size are screens are particularly the many honestly the keyboard was just too cramped and I mean the on-screen keyboard I'm talking about you and on the original iPad I'll be honest the typing lag was beyond horrible for most of the time wasn't always that most the time it was pretty horrible I could as I can sort of touch type why cannot I bet I could sort of touch type on the touchscreen and he just could not keep up and I realise I'm going back in time to pain that was five years ago but still it's it put me off even bothering so obviously you can say what typing problems and iPad you can overcome that by using an external keyboard so won't do that well that's exactly did do I use an external iPad keyboard dock which you with all the models for everyone of them are from time to time I use that are I actually got a 30 pen Dr lightning adapter so I could use the new iPad with it as well and I do like an old boxer business cards nice to prop that up behind the iPad take the weight of that the middle to top of the iPad so didn't break your didn't break the lightning connector an idea worked fine until I tried it with the iPad Pro it's way too top-heavy and just doesn't work year year just to be as was a bit too far so yet what is one more thing. Now to Yates army was excellent the text entry because it with the keyboard was exactly the same keyboard as the first generation aluminium Apple keyboards as well as on the MacBook Pro and the MacBook Air that I had the most part the last four years and is yet was it was great but as you point out is not portable you know and is stuck at your desk so is excellent the text entry is a keyboard but is only used for my desk at work and portability with meetings forget that on the train useless so then I went and tried a clamp case and that so it was a Bluetooth keyboard in a case with a handle but the problem was it was stable enough I talked about this arm are on episode way back with when Mike met Mike Hurley was on the show and I was at a surface on the surface and instability because of the eight you can't change the laws of physics right like Scotty said that must be true and you that the problem is the Bluetooth keyboard Disconnecting our again had same problem with buffering younger typing speed was disconcerting it just didn't work so you I've written about this podcast about honestly I gave up on the iPad as an engineering productivity tours go up on it just wasn't working so the thing is that I did a year of typing at school and high school and I got them at reading about a lot about previously on show but you are now a touch typist yea go for me but arm in order for that to be a useful skill to keep the key spacing on the keyboard is critical when hopping between devices signing the love is that all the Apple keyboards have the same keys in the same key spacing sees their physical keyboards do I ha yeah but the touchscreens don't so I tried many times these touchscreen he was a touch typing but there's always been the two issues there is no locators the index finger so if you feel your physical keyboard should be a notch or a debit or a dental something a ripple on the F and the Jakey is in the physical keyboard those you located keys your index fingers so you can reveal we keys that we fingers hand are supposed to be hovering are without looking at your keys you look at your keys you lose you 23% of typing speed don't look keys just it kills you speed anyway the key sizing and the enter key spacing however the touchscreen keyboards were also just a little bit off although it is too small such that you used moving your finger a fixed distance to go from Jade to use your data while you know or FTE what online banker FD Akhtar whatever the point is that if you changed all of those dimensions you have to relearn how far you movie think I was just hitting the wrong keys in a lot of cases that this one line so it just didn't work so typing on older small iPad was slow I was inaccurate and was frustrating as hell so I end up giving up on as well so arm you so all the older iPad was physically impossible to create a virtual keyboard that matched the same dimensions of physical keyboard and interestingly despite the written mouth and devastated the novelty or ridiculous size and iPad Pro which is 12 points I forget how many inches 12 and a bit inches but it's actually really close to a physical size keyboard really close so arm what the key sizing and spacing for iPad for the iPad one to the many pros my keyboard and Apple whilst keyboard there is a link in the show notes to the companion article for this episode are on tech distortions have a look that if you want a table data table were measured the more arm it is in millimetres sorry anyhow but for the purposes of of this discussion about the iPad Pro are a real-world physical keyboard made by Apple is 273 mm wide and that's in the left-hand edge of the caps lock to the right-hand edge of the return key the full width of an iPad Pro screen is only 263 mm Nanette missing 10 mm had to come from somewhere and where Apple shaved off is they shaved off the enter key spacing out the obvious choice right is a space between the keys honestly the essentials I would have made if I was to make that choice I'd rather keep the same size and I just made them slightly closer together and I said they did so what is all this add up to Cairo because this is pragmatic and is not about anaesthetics of the screen is how practical it is so what's the best way to tell how practical it is and that is a good old-fashioned well typing test speed test so I use my iPad Pro and I ran a project I've found a good program the program I can get with it on the hip and out from the App Store anywhere that there is an app for that and what I got was called tap typing is a link initiative you're interested so it is the typing test so users get a standard random script from our classic novel that scope no dissenters in it you just type it in and it measures how many letters you get right and how fast you do it so measures how many words per minute and it measures an accuracy percentage site are I did a best-of-three feature the kibble configurations I tested and I took the best time from each of those three runs are the typing tests are does not rely on auto correction so let us have to be entered correctly prior to proceeding so I'll list them in order of the slowest or worst Internet accuracy the fastest and best in terms of speed and accuracy and there is a connection between that the slowest was the worst and the fastest was the best in terms of speed and accuracy and attracts all the way through all the tests that I did so in a start with the worst performance the worst performance was a touchscreen on iPad mini size keyboard so the wow did this is I turn the iPad Pro deported mode and which point the keyboard dimensions then almost exactly match that of an iPad minis keyboard dimensions so in that orientation and I and I that's my baseline room this was the point which I said nope this sucks on locking a bowler and that's why the relevant data point and that was 39 words per minute at 94% accuracy which made us just that's terrible and that's one reason I gave up on it years ago site iPad Pro with a smart keyboard that's Apple's fancy smart people with little bit more and minute 63 words per minute and 96% accuracy rate that's that's a bit more respectable than he is the interesting one the next fastest wasn't a smart keyboard fastness my keyboard was the iPad Pro touchscreen keyboard in landscape mode and 67 words per minute 97% accuracy the father one you know the fastest one is the first generation Apple aluminium physical keyboard 85 words per minute at 98% accuracy so 89 worst minute that's what I average these days and is fine are it's just that there is no way you can beat the physical keyboard and it we all know that that's fine but that touch keyboard really not that far behind and was interested in both yeah and what's interesting is that the smart keyboard for me at least I didn't actually get a amine call number 63 to 67 so that by four words a minute and 1% accuracy I would have expected the smart keyboard being a physical keyboard to have performed better on a touchscreen but it didn't stop me so whilst it is true that the occasional need to glance down my virtual keys when I was typing was called a double touch typing actually because it's touch typing on a touchscreen cycle double touch typing if you double touch a double touch typing on was actually I did hurt my speed by looking at the keys from the renowned intimation my fingers were in the right spot are now slightly different Yaqui spacings also have my accuracy so the thing is though if you millimetres dimensions of the smart keyboard arm the smart keys are slightly smaller only by half a millimetre but the key spacing is the same so it's interesting other measurements of the website have a look but this might keyboard itself really wasn't even though you had located in the F and J keys yea the physical edges of those keys the material is made out of his very unusual and it may iPad it made difficult to feel the edge for the care edge on the keys it wasn't quite as obvious lower lower profile different material very rubbery just not the sort of keep I'm used to typing on now I daresay that with more practice I would probably this monkey would probably be slightly faster than the touchscreen but it should be slightly faster it should be as fast as an actual physical keyboard so I do I deny I find it interesting for me anyway the touch typing speed 67 words a minute that definitely then passes that a minimum threshold feasibility so I'm now at a point where how earlier I can use a touchscreen to double touch type yes no keyboard necessary no external physical keyboard necessary and that's quite productive for me at least annually so anyway the conclusion from that iPad Pro is essentially by far the best and perhaps only iPad that there is that I can actually double touch type on so that's that's a big plus no more external keyboards needed for me so it's cool so about the smart keyboard for those that don't know it's designed to work only with the iPad Pro exactly does double duty as a cover as well as keyboard is the key was built into the cover to passive device that uses the three small and rather well disguised pins and call that circles are located the left-hand outside of the tablet to draw it start to connect into the iPad now it has are several folding configurations dipping a wedding on his is a keyboard or not or in carrying motor and covering motor whatever propping up mode vehicle but say what might I spend a lot of time practising in the store to get it right if a really stupid to be honest because it is not obvious I sat there and Mike may be sold behind this and that that pops in Saddam trying the geometry stayed in my head straight to my head and looking at the once folded next to me unlike so how do they fold out what sequence they do that in a sigh of that not the magnet slashed again stop Underwood started I was collaborate actually wrapped around the iPad wasters and and not exact we know it's now I know how describe it better fold back on itself yes arm which is bizarre once okay how about a wraparound one so then wrap around the other ripples may not itself create yet exactly and it edges it feels just bizarre and doesn't sit flat obviously are because it's got keyboard building to the one I just want to get the hang of how you fold I'm sure it becomes second nature but it was just bizarre to me anyway but the thing is though I try typing on this keyboard many many times I spent half an hour blocks I have many days not many days several days anyway a few weeks I did that to make absolutely sure before I put money down on it and I didn't I decided not to I really didn't like the key mechanism but the funny thing is it wasn't the key mechanism that I didn't like the work that is much I'd really didn't like the feeling of my fingertips FL rubbery it felt sluggish I trouble feeling the edges where was an annoying feeling it just didn't feel right so for me you know those things would basically were deal breakers I couldn't type is faster, touchscreen in a case like if I'm in a putdown that kind of money it really needs to be a damn good keyboard and it isn't in no so if I want a decent hour typing experience next a physical keyboard then I'll just get a physical keyboard and take it with me like a proper one so I guess they had their reasons right for making the outer materials that they did and gathers all sorts of possibilities as to why arm they did that I mean maybe was a weight reduction thing are maybe was to make dinner certainly the key action was to make it thinner than they used the are much much smaller travel on the keys to make dinner there is no doubt about that are maybe they use the material because there was a cover on the iPad need to be more moisture resistant whereas normal keys on the keyboard they don't make the moisture resistant so that they all probably the trade-offs that name that Apple made but honestly I said it doesn't feel great the touch lease not to me and pressing the keys for horrible again to me not one used to space that the key sizes were quite same so that kind of money and like night on the corner on the committee that can violent and I haven't I think so are if I did have a laptop in the iPad Pro was the only device I had I can understand buying a physical keyboard to use with time I am not in a position are having a big screen does need some kind of protection so you got it screen somehow severe by the smart keyboard what you do while you despise my cover and I thought I did so I had a spa cover my iPad many years and it was great love she pull off when you want makes the iPad lighter and it covers the screen quite nicely and it protects the screen from being cracked which is quite when not in use which is great and you can use the profit up as well so I got me thinking if I really did want a nice new wireless keyboard from iPad Pro would actually be a better option to go the smart cover and add the new Apple wireless keyboard so I'd look at the numbers it actually works out $11 US $15 Australian cheaper to do it that way then to get smart keyboard of course the downside is that it's going to be slightly heavier but it's not that much heavier 56 g heavier which is just under 2 ounces heavier and else you would you would take the Bluetooth keyboard with you only when you expect to do a lot of typing which would not be all the time because the flipside of that is people say of this market was always with use of the urge to type strikes you in the moments your habit there with you on site that's true but then the touchscreen is a perfectly passable keyboard so why would you do that and I'm never take my Tim Cook's expressions and turn it back on and which is the smart keyboard to me just makes the iPad a more confusing product that needs to be to the go anyway that's little smart keyboard okay the pencil I've always dream of having a responsive and accurate stylus and I had not found one until I tried this one mind you I haven't tried every styles nor the existence I have used the bamboo are Wacom tablet many moons ago and of you sources of other styles is a very listed previously but the Apple pencil I can say from my personal experience arm in a is the best most accurate stylus I have ever used it is almost as good as writing the repent and you know it it's pretty incredible so I did the whole slow motion thinkers while again on me and yes you know it's obvious that there is some lag because the risk and some apps have been fully updated to utilise the Apple pencil's Apis properly arm and there are casinos that performs well but are the ones that have been updated to include the Apple pencil a fantastic site was the competition was think about it you're competing against our listeners go with a nice cheap boring old ballpoint pen a paper mate enjoy and why because that was what I had handy when I had the scales weigh 7 g the Apple pencil waste 20.5 g but interestingly my passive stylus the dominant arm the drop program it actually weighed the most at 23 g despite the fact that it's shorter about the same thickness but you can argue all sorts of things like God is not a fair fight because gabapentin active device to battery the add-on at dozens but the Donna has a metal case animated heavier like them the whole thing is metal by the thing I know is the most about the Apple pencil though when I feel it in my head I his writing is that it's weight distribution so it feels heavier and is longer so it's that turning moment problem and it just feels that heavier to your wrist despite the fact is lighter than the dollar if feels heavier as the weight distribution so anyway are sometimes lodged with pencil using our than prolonged period times take a little silly take the lid off a pen you often it's put on the end of the pen when you're not using it was like when he's in a pan right so what I'll do is sometimes take the lid off the pen because I don't like the pen that long is it then makes the pen to heavier the same reason so to make the penlight will often take the lid off will not put the lid on all and that reduce the overall length when what you want right for longer periods of time and is doing that affects the pressure that you write with as well as fatigue thing the plug When I call the of the Apple pencil Baha'is aligning charger and doesn't make much of a difference to the weight or length the device so it makes no difference and I okay I know that's completely nitpicky as nitpick of all net pics but still arm still tonight but I don't like a hefty pen I just don't and it's just feels unnecessary – no value adjusted sucks and I know they've added steel to it and that weights are to stop it from rolling around okay that's it handy feature arm minute as a pocket clip never mind that arm and for the magnets are they also put the still left the magnet so IBM would attach to the iPad I guess maybe that it may be a didn't that's less clear but I'm assuming it's what I did that so I found using for long periods of time now it ties my hand out more than a pen would but that's understandable given the additional weight but I can't doing about that I get used to that of course but then you I think back to the days and I was at uni and I was riding six pages of text notes during a two-hour lecture that was 20 years ago my hand and cramp mind you go down half a page of this thing in my hand starts cramping while insert old man comment here might okay site toughen up princess whatever that me tell me that myself I'm not a princess again site I want to wrap up on the hardware now between the iPad Pro and of the stylus so but basically I've owned and I've used remote all the iPad form factors and I can pre-will safely say that the size extremes have very clear use cases in the mid-size model is sort of a bit of both so the many I would say is great for single-handed use and reading books novels if you like the iPad Pro is pretty much the two-handed use only the 80 using one hand now I can use with one hand I prop the shorter the long side against my arm my stomach all my my hip sometimes take notes or I prop it on my arm underneath so the entire diagonal of my arm so I have one corner propped in the crook of my arm and my fingers around the other corner and I hold like that might take notes mother hand are all collected yet exactly like clipboard yes our bid is also great for reading newspapers it's so nice to read newspapers and comics not a big comic reader but okay maybe I tried it maybe you didn't unlock everything okay the air the iPad Air is a bit of both and balances portability with both of those two extremes so clearly now it's a much better spread in the product line but I conceded that the use cases for both so and there is something magical about being out of touch the screen and seeing things respond directly to your touch and the 80 why is my first light pen in late 80s and I was impressed but there's nothing at all like this and I worry that people get blasé about it you know is the ubiquity or near ubiquity of smart phones these days are touch screens it's just people like I got a screen video to be a touchscreen video but the fact remains old news now yet if their people get blasé because it is a bit like old news and the fact remains that how immersed you feel in what you're interacting with our work with a touchscreen device it draws you in the larger the screen is this because the screen sliders draws you in more so it's more immersive it's more engaging this simply no other way to describe it is so anyway I use my laptop on the train a few hours each week are each work day and but primarily that my desk is my iPad are on the counter in a comfy chair I use it for reading Twitter the newspaper into the paper RSS feeds surfing the net you are the iPad Pro of Ms been the best iPad for all of those tasks the only one that is fallen down is reading books novels and frankly I don't read enough much of those anymore ago my wife I don't read enough so how I read is just engineering stuff and right are so now I'm using my iPad for all of my handwritten notes at home and at work I have made it my mission to not pick up a pen at all and just today I had to sign something in Inc it was the first time in three weeks and it took me five minutes to find my damn pants I forgot why put it in a losing problem with the people that make you I absolutely did I actually did unlike God why you making use my pen and I looked at me funny unlike our I'd just realised how crazy that's out of the mind is to define my pen he can use our pen know I have to use my pen anyway can imagine the conversation I have had the correlations myself while there you go so anyway I thought you I thought I would miss one-handed operation of the many but ultimately I just pop the problem my leg and my knee or uses a clipboard it's it's comfortable enough and is not an issue is not as much initial thought it would be an over the Christmas break I was lucky has been a few hours pretty much sitting in that position on the couch you know kicking back arm and it was fantastic and watching video on an audio playback on the iPad presently really impressive this the base reproduction stereo and the sounds really really nice and again the volume is greater can fill in a small room by problem you know they did some great work with the IDEO on your the audios is quite impressive it's it is quite impressive it's far better than the MacBook Pro and it's just debts better than any other iPad or iPhone by buyer by a significant margin anyway arm now for other reasons I been avoiding his iPad and bed my old iPad for a few months because of John avoid the whole artificial light thing before bed no doubt which is bad forgetting sleeping down so has been issued by them for the longest time I did but I don't do that anymore so that how she has Internet been issued so in short one-handed operation the iPad is no longer an issue for me obviously your mileage may vary in okay and down at the ceremony of use the pen once in a month pretty much an actual physical pen are in asthma and is not made me those baskets I get my money I've only ever printed out pages for other people not myself and no additional paper has been land at my desk by my own hand unfortunately I can't stop other people from putting their paper on my desk and they still do it I got left is not only just have a look at Liz Joyce to Mohammed review and Mike could you just email to me on mark up on my iPad but but it's gonna paper what your paper your paper is no good here anyway whenever so I didn't put any of my own desk by my own hand selected automatically have and of the behaviour iPad to go with it so you know what you know but they don't luggage was email me the PDF I can mark it up right I can email it back to them that any to give me a hard copy anymore anyway it's fine I'm not the point longer put a sign on my desk yet that says this is desk is a paper free zone but it's coming in here right so finally is the software equation and this is the piece the glues altogether in the iPad Pro now pencil doesn't matter if using a surface pro using that that the surface pen doesn't matter no matter what you've got in terms of hardware is amazing products as they may be they are no good they are useless without software that supports their features so Apple of course knew this so Apple had the notes that make it a big upgrade knowing this was coming in the notes app on the iPad itself it's been optimised to the pencil obviously is Apple gives coming and it shows it's got excellent pressure sensitivity Patel supports really good and you see some the cleanest lines in the best palm rejection you can imagine is really really good but there is one huge drawback there is no handwriting is no handwriting recognition is no OCR arm optical character recognition is no such ability so OCR is becoming very common and honestly are its support in one note mob Microsoft are leveraging their decades of experience with pen support arm and OCR they brought that one note across all their platforms I believe are including iOS now Apple don't have a native solution for that on iOS I don't have pen support and iOS not really so whilst I recognise the typing is always very fast in handwriting in engineering I still spend a lot of time making handwritten notes because it's just that's the way it's done that's why I've always done it is how I work so drawing diagrams the reason our text in the mist hazards why do so being able to search handwritten text that would be a dream come true right OCR at or some other method that would be a dream come true now the problem is in my office are where I work access to the servers of Microsoft server firewalls right I have to tether to get external access to my one drive one note to synchronise and Microsoft actually did OCR not on the device they do on the clan in the service site they render the year so they crunch in the background may be the results back to the document as text when they done so then you can search just like in underlay in the document if you like or a separate layer figure that way and I suggest they take five minutes for that to happen but I've waited hours before I had that back on site for researchable among really that's when I did have connectivity and I don't want work so is it was no good no and what I need is and is a method that was yellow able to work locally but on the plus side it was genuine OCR which means any image no matter what it was when I drew it or not with my own handwriting or marriage sketching any image I would put in there would be OCR and would have a response anyway but the downside is the app server side does no good to me so arm against with notes it was all going really really well for the first week or two but it then started to look a lot like my real world notes and my real world notes had a big problem that they were unsearchable and poorly indexed because I've disorganised and terrible you know so instead of flipping pages in my notebook looking at my notes I was going through notes documents looking for my notes as I can search them arm on my side I could look at them wherever I was because the note synchronise to my phone message lost my debt to my Mac so I could take notes in the iPad and I could look at them and the other tools that was one of my criteria was met that's great but I couldn't search side a lot of researching our overview while about a week or two and I found arm a program that I am blown away by that that key feature and it is as critical good notes for ever heard of good notes I have night see I had neither and I had a look at it and I saw some of the peers and the reviews in the summer how to use on the website and unlike I'm sceptical call me sceptical but only give this go now it's not particularly special insofar as what it can do like you can create categories via workbooks arm in a side you got it started uncategorised and trash was at work and home and with that in create a notebook you can give a different covers if you want there's lots of options colours and patterns and everything but me being me covers a colour as a virtual cover and I don't care sides went with the default colour default cover which was simple blue boring but it's fine it works so, get the first page then we bring you created your options different paper sizes so you can customise that based on where you live in my case arm I used A4 because it's a standard because I live in Australia and a four standard in North America it will be probably either half by 11 or 11 x 17 if you want to go to a larger size whatever anyway so you have all the different options are paper types seeking get pre-rules or graft style paper if you want so little give your nice blank template you to draw on and be whichever pattern you like you can create custom template you want to bother ongoing but you could and I cyanide my use narrow rules which is it when I'm garrotte a lot of words are or use narrow and quadrupled which is basically ruled in the X and Y axes which is otherwise known as graph paper and argues that the sketching diagrams or just plain paper for freehand sketching. Your paper is fake paper virtual paper if you like and I do not paper paper no no you cannot turn in origami and do not try and help so swapping between the pages to figure slide left-to-right pincers in works like you would be expected to arm it's pretty basic you know your styles you can use it as a panda highlighter or an eraser is also a nice alas suitable for selecting areas of the of your notes you can cut copy paste to resize them arm ink flow has the same tool I love that which is really good anyway arm the other thing is that you can you just tap those 17 selected like as this is a panda highlighter and any can you choose the colour of the line thickness and all that stuff is all pretty standard in a colour palette is all other jazz you have nothing to special they assist but it does the job there is a shape recognition function as well so he draw a square work bright freehand tries to turn into nice redlines for you it's I found it was Connor mostly passable but is not a burden from also trialling result of another day called graph ego and it is a much better job and into the shape recognition arm and frankly so is one note actually one that has pretty decent shape recognition as well and identified arm pentagons and octagons which was really good and even adjusted the the other side with so that they are all the equal length which is really cool so anyway but not forcefully arm note are a good night is not quite as good that that's okay so dealbreaker are synchronising options obviously via iCloud and that works fine attest that extensively between the success plus the iPad Pro MacBook Pro art but also includes important export options for Google Drive one drive box and dropbox being the key one and also use dropbox for automatic backups every time you finish writing a couple things new pause like Bible 10 seconds hills upload the copy to dropbox for safekeeping as an automatic backup out if trust iCloud which is awesome because you can then open that in the desktop app and sizeable RCA can also import staff from Eichler Drive different sources like photos of the camera directly if you want I can take a photo start marking it up just call but all that's all like you know okay this plenty back to do that that's not what hooked me that's not what what impressed me and not wire border is the live off-line text searching of your handwriting that is awesome so wouldn't imagine this on the right the word arm Hudson Bobby Casson and the writer down right now I'm then going to go to the top right corner arm… You click tap on that and go search and I type in Hudson and it automatically finds that text highlighted in yellow and taste to that page where that sees the word Hudson is critical and to prove that it works off-line I killed the Wi-Fi wrote something searched for it says the text is written and found sides it does the analysis on the device and it does it pretty much in real-time so as soon as you write it you search for it you find just amazing it is absolutely melted my brain that it was actually it was good enough to do that now it's not OCR okay doesn't run it through a opposed process it tracks your strokes as you write the words as you as you sketch things which means that they create a problem because all of the last two weeks of notes before I started using good notes for oral and notes like take the notes at the Apple notes at now surprise I know there is no standard for Lake arm line thickness line line pressure are like black styles pressure arm I can't export something in a common format between notes that good notes can import it has to exported as an image in a mean I can't extract you how much pressure was I disappointed how far in order for it to look the same everywhere exactly so there is no standard line I am aware of if I'm wrong someone free correctly by Marise Mitchell there is no standard I agreed that I think it's due very much like WordPerfect versus word versus open I will have to make a somebody I had to make a market protocol for it and I'm sure they will internally and you have to get everybody to turn to agreed to play with it and not train like you in with the nonproprietary thinkers they just want to use layers this year so anyway arm so unfortunately what I've done and people can probably think John use a crazy and here's the thing right maybe a.m. but hey searching my own hand written text is such a unbelievably awesome feature I am prepared to put myself through this is what I've done what you think of done there is no talent how well you know me become what I did pretty pretty well I'm sure you wet extremes that that that most people would night you your your that is that is probably accurate way I deeds are exported all of my notes as images onto the camera roll and then imported them as static images and then I traced over them with the Apple pencil letter Follette outlined the line over the top and then the leader alone I deliver vehemently the image at Rodney how long would that take next question arm the effort is not necessarily the point it's now the fact that I am I've I've gone even further you think this is bad I've gone further I have actually gone and taken my last six months of my engineering notebook why because of the same problem I said about half an hour ago I'm transitioning between no Waitakere the other elbow I'd allocated an obit with Mr Wanadoo well I've taken a photo of all 50 pages and I am tracing them through in my spare time so basically what I'm hearing is there is no cost to agreed to make a clean break quite possibly yes am I crazy probably because the bottom line is of course that there is no standard if I export from good notes for land up as a PDF or an image right so you any handwriting recognition that I'm getting any hand writing search that I'm getting is can be stuck with this app my hope is that into a years time three is time of more apps come out that support this that are better than good notes for may happen may not happen doesn't matter you I will have to cross that bridge when I get to it by don't think I would be so brave or stupid you can transcode it all yet man to 1/2 years with the notes are pushing it so anyhow are you done and you know what it's great because now I can search notes six months ago and it works it works really well I've only used US English of course handwriting recognition so I can't speak other languages I can't comment I try to trip it up by putting underlines the other like your say like using the Y or G because they've got a little dip underneath these letters or sometimes I'll write you know like gum frustratingly or something like that and put a like draw and underline underneath that another put a line through the bottom of the G and I thought I was trying to do two or three strokes underneath it like a squiggles and like that to try trip it up but no-bid figured out and got right so it doesn't do so well with cursive but it does fine with printing and I print my my my writing anyway so now you may think that this thing is amazing but you know what looks like a really nice looking at the extra listing for yet is a link in the show notes do not do not sponsor but they should be arm so yeah I'm good notes are authors please get in touch anyhow point is its it's not perfect to his what's not so good about. Delegate is an engine diagram in the screenshot year something that arm right so palm rejection now I'm still messing with the settings because it gives you some settings there is a little bit without wound Tanya has no real absolute magic in this the base year that the problem is that I suspect it's an integration problem with the Apis are that they use the Apple pencil so I suspect that it will get better with time as more and more apps and good notes for gets better integrating with the year the Apple pencil the functionality is only really been around as a device to be used for a couple months rights not a new its relatively size developers spend more hands on literally time with it then they'll get better at buttoning at the moment the annoyances that you get it wrong properly once every 20 minutes or so of writing and will kick me out of the app into the apps which are and where does so most the time it will then draw a bigger line gave written across the screen across whatever I've been writing on and then I'll see that when I jump back to the Apple decisions dirty great big line across the other set on do it through that line and a more good to get going and I do several sensitivities and a hand angle adjustment a bit playing with those try improve it and is getting better that I had needs more work there is no question about that I'm sure it'll prove with time so broken lines is another one that annoys me a bug entire time is only a couple of pixels to 3 pixels here and there and is just a visual annoyance of his immensely try to draw quite right the just T or J or something and the aces the visual annoyance if you zoom in to closely bustle not in the world but the diabolo are not that much but it's enough to be annoying you know it's a sort of thing I open the notes at the two weeks and it never did so I think again it's an integration issue without me says it's the best Apple pencil but as you know it's it's not just that it's not that simple there's the own this way there now by a head start with the Apis and updating either our glory to himself is an unfair it's unfair judgement insofar as Lycos said new hardware new Apis and I'm sure goodness will improve with time with the Apple pencil integration I'm sure they will again his my biggest bugbear about this app I love the handwriting search can you tell but it's restricted to the currently open workbook so if I got a workbook open notebook workbook when I call it I can search within it if I create 10 workbooks I can't search through all of them okay search through the one that is open which sucks right about here what about the new series searching and they emigrated that it are so you can't do that you can't go but again that's was far as I can tell that should just be a function of of time like the search shall be am I imagine they can make it broader it is the matter of openness scan for this close it in a matter of time I'm sure so may will be an architectural thing of the weight of architect of the app and how the memories allocated in how does recognition I deny but it seems like that's an unsolvable problem so I have my hopes that they will solve that at some point until then I can just copy and paste all my handwritten notes are into a working file and just archive them after six months you know but always have a honk and greatly so document I can search this not the other world is not ideal but in a hey it'll work right so that another another downside is that before side again handwriting search in this is not OCR not the traditional palace anyway and it doesn't seem like as a showstopper to you try to put no smell around like I said so you it's a shame but that's okay you know I'd I'd rather we had both but I suspect that there is plenty good reasons why not so it's not ideal but that's okay it's not in the world arm now the other gripe that I've got honestly is some minor one about a desktop app on the desktop apps as the only been out for two months is only very new and it's very feature light compare the IRS that sowed the desktop app you should think of it as an iCloud viewer is a doesn't view from the other other repositories are doesn't let you edit anything you can just view it so for the moment that's fine because I do all of my know like notetaking on the iPad anyway it's it's a viewer an iCloud viewer swipe the my common use cases obviate a meeting or make a bunch of nights I go back to my desk in that time it took me to walk from the meeting to my desk is very synchronised arm back to our my MacBook I can bring it up in my MacBook and I can now have an open one window and I can you use those reference so you it's fine it works so far but still it be nice to be able to tweak a few things on the desktop as well of mind I'm sure that's coming as well early days all right so ultimately are by the way that it some $7.99 US which is $12.99 Australian are each for the IRS and the Mac versions there is available through the respective Macs are app stores so basically now at the point where I am able to search my handwritten notes for the first time in my life this is something I've never been I would do before so to me that is transformative because I take 70 handwritten notes so is this lonely away it's changing how I work are and I've seen some people say about how amazing this birdlike drawing pictures and so on and on scan artwork and stuff but not talking about from an engineering point of view and from our yard from a more than office-based culture point of view arm and I mean it's like to me it's just blow me away I got the iPad I got the iPad Pro and the pencil on one condition the one I got it I had the two months over Christmas. I could return it for a full refund if I was not if I couldn't find a place for it in my workflow in my job then it was this an extravagance but if I could if it was my guy make my life easier than I was gonna keep it and it has well and truly it has it separate from the cold dead hands are less not go that far but something like that are yet I been blown away impressed truly impressed and I can feel it we are so close to being dieted reaching a point of being paperless but of course what's gonna take well obviously the Apple pencil cannot continue cost and amount of money and obviously the iPad Pro can't continue to cost that amount of money so you note but ultimately we are closer than we've ever been to the other go paperless and me personally I I'm at the point where I'm gonna continue to try and go stay away from paper I will actively avoid to the point which I telephoned my pen this morning serious I'll notes fine that's exactly what I want to know and the fact that I'd refine my pen says it all is working on an end and maybe someday maybe someday not too far in the not-too-distant future are maybe we can actually get to a paperless office in technology and software like this is gonna help me get there which is fantastic that's it may parting comments thoughts I look forward to a I really hope that they they add future in the future bad support for the pencil to the other iPad skills are really curious to play with that they may not have a whole lot of interest in the general mess iPad Pro says you I said that as initially as well I have anything against innovation are really happy that a lot of people are enjoying it and using it a just a not have a use for that particular safe place I have email I do and that was my initial reaction is well once I used it and realised that it wasn't actually that big a compromise for me it was mean only just then it came back to you usefulness at work and and the ultimately was the cost was there a benefit is that there is no cost benefit what why have you get to me anyway that that's that's the point that then this is pragmatic of corpsmen so that so yet and I'm sure it will I'm sure that the iPad many and the iPad are air in the next 12 months or so will support the Apple pencil I have very little doubt about that had probably a lot of them do it enough that there is probably a large contingency of people that would like to use a lever with the folds to yeah that's true I can I'm not so sure they'll do it with a regular sex says there will probably be a challenge but I get that the success place in I could probably see myself wanting to use it sometimes on that while I'm not so sure that they will because EA does it it's a bit odd I've written on a stylus on an iPhone before like with the odometer and yes it just doesn't work it's just the so would lay back may be your skis for that to be anywhere near as heavy as what it would be for the iPads but make our one year of your examples you note when you just need to say something and send it back I can see people when it is that a lot of the times on the phone absolutely and I mean I live actually tried dumb our PDF pen which works great I've also my good notes for arm also marking PDFs are able to mark them up in them collapses well but the point is that you it works fine so ultimately our you I can feel the man was so close to paperless it wasn't more about this originally outward and onto the all you can follow up and pragmatic show parties specifically see show announcements and other related stuff that remember that pragmatic is now part of the engineered network and also has an account at engineered_next that has announcements about the network in all the shows and you can check them all out at engineered network today people are really loving causality as well pragmatic so if you like pragmatic probably have a listen and check it out if you like to get in touch with Vic was the best way to get our they could only on the twitters advocates in one excellent if you like this any feedback about the show all the network please the feedback form on and we also find the Senate this episode if you're enjoying pragmatic and you want to support the show the best way is becoming by becoming a patron by patriarch A3 Fiji or one word so if you'd like to contribute something anything at all is very much appreciated if the person they are like access to the raw show note on Shabbat have a name thanks at the end of the episode as well without it all helps if we resurface finding golden causality will go entirely and that you thank you everyone for listening and as always thank you Vic thank you very thanks for coming back either rubble the Vic attack his slope there was decides so cheesy I I'm I cannot possibly leave it in bungalow as a diver I was gonna request in man�
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Vic Hudson

Vic Hudson

Vic is the host of the App Story Podcast and is the developer behind Money Pilot for iOS.

John Chidgey

John Chidgey

John is an Electrical, Instrumentation and Control Systems Engineer, software developer, podcaster, vocal actor and runs TechDistortion and the Engineered Network. John is a Chartered Professional Engineer in both Electrical Engineering and Information, Telecommunications and Electronics Engineering (ITEE) and a semi-regular conference speaker.

John has produced and appeared on many podcasts including Pragmatic and Causality and is available for hire for Vocal Acting or advertising. He has experience and interest in HMI Design, Alarm Management, Cyber-security and Root Cause Analysis.

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