Pragmatic 69: It's Complicated

22 January, 2016


Smart Watches support dynamic, configurable complications but not all are created equal. Russell Ivanovic from Shifty Jelly joins John to see just how complicated it can be.

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Welcome to pragmatic pragmatic is a discussion show, playing the practical application of technology by exploiting the real world to look at how great ideas are transponder products and services can change our lives nothing is as simple as it seems pragmatic as part of the Internet network to support our shows including this one had over to a patron page and other great shows with today on your host John Fiji and today I'm joined by Russell Ivanovich a doing a job thanks and have meal they coming back on it's been a wasn't we had a chat so I appreciate you come back onto talk about so is the could be complicated all I see we did the idea are yeah I know it's terrible it's just terrible but so I gate are (now we are all alike talk about complications on the on watches specifically smart watchers but before we get stuck it out I just Wanna quickly talk about a little bit of his history of urology have you heard of urology rye have I have indeed but only because about 30 minutes before we started the show you explained to me so please solicit in about urology space to tell the listeners that I'll sorry mean I have never heard of this our analogy excellent and very strange yeah I know actually if a few years ago when I first heard about the terminology urology I thought we might as alike horoscopes and stars and things that is my first thought but is actually the study of clocks and watches and in the context of watchers are complications what they've always referred to as any feature in the timepiece that is not displaying hours and minutes that can be anything including like the day the date alarm screener grafts phases of the moon for example overall by very common complications in a traditional watch so anyway and in any timepiece that just shows you how the mess is referred to as a simple movement so are the interesting thing is that in order to sell watchers I'm guessing people watchmakers decide that more and more complications which made it more complicated money that AI arm but that obviously the more you are the more difficult is the design to create to assemble to repair makes more expensive so typical sort of day and date display chronograph could have about 250 parts but more complex watchers could have thousands of parts and our watchers with several complications they refer to industry is ground they complications but down there anyway whatever site are as a result I guess arm is about the 16th century are they started see a lot more very very complicated watchers and according to our Wikipedia the font of all knowledge are the Frank Mueller and I will miss this one I think it's at a Turner test mega for is the world's most complicated wristwatch list names or yeah I'm sure someone else can pronounce it properly other than me but it has 36 complications as a mechanical watch right while they're at and how they figure that is the 25 of them are visible at any time it has 1483 individual components and one of the complications perhaps the most useless is the thousand year calendar now if that was last thousand years I would be prepared to pay US$2.7 million for that are across adapter win the lotto 1st to pay for that that watch energies to minimally little main I actually have no idea I'm assuming not many years after price so yet I think it was those projects that they just they did it because they could and I said hey look at this we got lots of complications you give me money now and I said you had to be the person that someone brings it into a service and be like your Momo when my complications are working LB part 1481 witness be to faxed can you imagine how annoyed to be if your water nothing amidst all my sister wouldn't wear it with you know that I do wondered that people collect everything so similar help in a group of people to collect watchers and put them on the shelf yet exactly which is I do get that either because that just makes it completely pointless as he is a watch but I can ever put on my wrist because that would just be silly is like buying a car and leave in the garage I can't drive it because it's too expensive yeah but you don't get on and ruin the perfection you bought something perfect the second input only restive you've destroyed the exactly exactly terrible anyway so I think one of the interesting developments in the last star what may be God 20 years I suppose is been the development of software watchers are versus mechanical watchers but it's really only been in the lasts I would say five or six years that software watchers have had enough interesting things going on with my day and I mean like I exposure can argue a software watchers open 20 years ago will make even 25 go with with a couple extra functions like the musical times I had a watch when I was a kid that had does like 25 alarm tunes and it was one of those similarly old old mobile phones you had those are polyatomic Polly are you home in a mean like it would play these things likely to learn a few of the different things and then I had to go and look at what let alone wasn't among you know do I had one as well I remember it so fondly I was very depressed when my got water in hence my previous comment about the $2.7 million watchers got water in an interested play songs anymoreat Sony how are ya but that's not really what I mean software watchers I think the definite my definition of a software watchers and my definition is the what what I want to talk about specifically are watchers that are configurable are on the fly in terms of what they can display our through software modification so if you do that if you got a digital watch digital front face or a section of the front base that is digital that configurable is like an LCD is highly configurable than by going digital yet is no additional parts under an additional parts in order to make as many publications as you like at least in theory yet and and you can easily change out can reconfigure what space to whatever you want provided the is what space that you like to use a water use and a complication available for what you want to do of course assume that they are you have that power the software what you do mechanical watchers stuck with what it was when you bought it and the thing that I think is really cool is that that lends yourself to that that the place we could have multiple watch bases for different activities we just something I find myself doing with my Apple watch so if I'm you have an Apple watch yes are do your and used to store where are I am literally wearing a run hours were talking so I didn't stop wearing it for about three months barred them and is working on some software updates are put back on and so still you excellently I'm wearing might as well it's just recovered from a are a long long time away from its charger but now it's back back on my wrist again are yes that that is definitely a downside are and I don't really are necessarily going to hold charging problem and of mind are ultimately our I wore my watch very much every day since I bought it and I love this thing and I have a whole bunch of reasons why that that though the beauty of the Folks and Potatoes to Complications and I Guess the Problem I Have a Complications Now What Faces Is That the Problem Is No Longer the Ability to Choose the Problems Now That There Are so Many Choices of Combination Is Getting More Than Getting More Choices All the Time so the Other Watch Itself yet We Still Can't Design Custom Watch Faces like You Know I Can't Buy What Space from an Awesome Developer like 50 Jelly Let's Say Are or Anyone Else I Can't It's like I Gotta Go with What Apple Give Me I'm Sure I Can Configure the Photos That Go on It Maybe and Have a Photo Screen You but I Can't Say I Would like a Complication the Top Left of like One on Top in the Middle One in the Very Middle Can Adjust the Size That This Completely Configurable You Are the Biggest Things It of the Noise of the Right Word but I Find Frustrating about the Upper What Is in Their Summer What Faces Are Almost There but Unlike If I Could Just Move This down like for Example in the Looking at the Local Utility Are Not Shalom That the Digital One with the Has the Most Convocations Is Not the Time in the Middle but I Can't Put the Time in the Middle the Time Has To Be in the Top Corner Because You Know That's Why Apple Has Ordained and Then I'm Forced to You Pick a Certain Amount of Complications and If I Leave on Blank in of the Screen Doesn't Reflow It's Just That Spot Is Now Blank and That Frustrates Me Because You Got This Infinite Potential for Configurability and I Know You Don't Want to Introduce Infinite Complexity at the Same Time but Still the Need to Be a Balance in My God Denotes a Digital Watch I Want to Make It Look This Way but I Can't I Can't Make a Look, Now Exactly and It's Frustrating Because like You Say It's Just a High despite Weakness Is a Little Bit It's Close to What I Want but It's Not Quite What I Want and Being Completely Un-Ink in an Configurable in That Respect It Can Be Frustrating so I Guess I'm Everyone Anticipates That the Guy Open up I Think That There's Is I Think They Will Open up but Then I Mean Updating That Things like on IOS Here We Are in Iowa IOS Are Nine and Is It Possible for Any Non-First Party App to Update Their Screen Icon Are on the on IOS Dynamically You Could Push Badges to Attenuate the Update like the Calendar Updated State Knows If You're Not Apple You Are Deftly Annihilated SE and This Is My Problem Is That What They Treat What Faces the Same Way I Certainly Hope They Don't Kinda Wonder They Do like to Control Things and Sometimes for Good Reason like I Think If If Apple Was Here the Black Well You Know If a Developer Could Change Icon and They Do Nefarious Things They Tended to the Facebook One in Every Tapping My Stomach Yeah Okay Maybe a Sailor That I Think They Might Do with What Faces At Least Initially Is Maybe Just Team up with A Few in a Select Developers to Be like These Five or 10 Developers Have Been Ordained by Us As Being Able to Make What Faces in a Have a Choice of Only 20 or 30 Incentive Is a Debate I Can't See Them Just Opening up in Google Has Done That with with Android Where That's That's the Platform on the Other Side That Anyone Can Make a Watch Face and the Results Are Amazing You Get Some Really Really High-Quality Ones but the Other in 8590% Just to Look at the Michael or Wallick What Are They Done and I Can't See Apple You Putting up with I Think It Was Quite Happy to Say This 10% Is Amazing so Will Accept the Other 90% of the Look Brilliant but Unthinkable That Can Accompany Yeah III Suspect You're Right but They Do Give Us Because Our Silos Were Quickly Cover Arm Just How Many Hours Giving Ability We Do Get so Utility Mention before I Think Actually Meant Modular and Modules That Want to Give You Five Configurable Arm Yes It Is, John Is Looking at and yet so Modelling Is a Five Configurable Arm Complications Slots Positions However: Our Utility Gives You Three Configurable Ones That Are Fully Configurable but One That Is Either That the Date or the Day Only Our Colour Gives You Four Configurable Slots One Each Corner but Why Give an Extra One That Is Either a Monogram Only like Your Initials or Is Blank Which Is Interesting Arm Site Yeah I Could JC on Their Legislative Figure Link Undergo Who I Am in Our AI Sector Are Simple Which Is Four Configurable Slots and One of Them Is Either Date Only or Is Blank Are the Chronograph Got Three Configurable Slots and Another Slots Date or Day Only and Mickey Mouse Go Mickey Tapping Its Foot Impatiently Whilst You You're Looking at a Michael Fall Awkwardly but Mickey As I Prefer to Refer to Because I Know Somewhere so Anthony Had to Sit down and Made That This Is the Bit about Is What Foes Are Love There It Is, Is It Fun but I Look at It, Look at Others like Your Why You so Impatient You Tapping. It Already Equates That Mickey Mouse Gets Three Configurable Slots so Ultimately the Maximum Number Complications Module Is the Clear Winner & Is Probably a Close Second but Interestingly Arm As a Whole the All the Other Ones Don't Support Complications a Motion Which Is like the Butterfly or the Flower Opening the Time-Lapse Astronomy Which Is the One We Zoom into the Earth or Away from the over Whether You Are Now the Photo Photo One Knock and Note No Complications the Sole One Which Looks like a Sine Wave and I Would Say That Because of I've Just Never in Either Solomon and Lamina When It Was Extra-Large Yeah and I Now Slide Anyway and Extra-Large Climate Is It Just Melts My Brain Because I Cannot Used to Sing the Hours on the Top and the Minutes on the Bottom of the Screen Does Decide Whether and Also They Overlap with Some of the Icon so If You Have It and Do Not Disturb Mode Locally Right Now That the Moon Is Covering the One Apple the Moon Is Covering the One Steerable so He That Is Then Think That through but Anyway It's Okay That Those Monsters That Are Convocations of You like Those What Faces Then Too Bad You Can't Have Any Complications at All Which I Don't I Know I Guess I See to Some Extent Ones like Motion in Why Not Solar There's Room They Could Have You Know It's a It's Okay It's Fine so Obviously Once We Are Convocations Were Restricted to Speaking They Want to Have Complications at the Moment Hopefully Someday They Open That up but What I've Done to Overcome This Earthlike Was Overcome It Is to Get the Best of Both Is I Set up Multiple Washbasins so I Have a Utility Are One Set up for Work As in like Work at Work and I've Got a Modular One Set up for Work That Is Calendar Centric and I've Got a Modular One Set up the Home Tasks That Is to Do List Centric Side My To-Do List up on Them on the Big One in the Middle and Then I Got the Photo Watch Face When I'm Not Working and Honest Kicking Back in on That Work so Right Now, but I Watch Face on You Michael Isn't Similar so Only Have Three Local Utility the Modular and Extra-Large to the Utility When I Put on the Weekend When I No Longer Need to Track in I Want to Work Related Things the Modular Avenue during the Week and Extra-Large Ears When I'm Doing Something like Another Some Stupid but I Am Playing a Game and I Get Really Engrossed in I Just Wanna Really Quickly the Other Glance and Watched the Local Should Be Embedded in Its past Midnight Fair Enough Yeah IR I Didn't I Didn't Start out That Way It's Only That Some Sort of Evolved As I Have Added Washbasins of 24 Different Activity and I've Reached a Point Now Where It's Become a Force of Habit I Leave Work I Change My Watch Face When the Trainer Morning I Change My Watch Face to Work Mode and One Am Doing To-Do List Stuff on the Weekends of Change Portraits Again so It's Some It's a Sort of Evolved That Way One Thing I Think Three or Four Risk of Me Anyway As the Nice Balance You Negatively Only with with That Amount Means You Have To Do and This Is What between Them As Well It's Easy to Get like from One to the Exactly Exactly so and I Almost Think That Would Be a Better Use of the Second Button to Be Honest Arm There Are Those under 90 Want to Get into This This Giant Bun on the Front When I First Got My Apple One Child of Opposite or Myself Differently since but I Kid You Not Oppressive under 3030 to 40 Times Are Trying to Home so I'd Be Someone Want to Be an Upper Be Somewhere Else and I Just Go Home and the People above Me like What Are the Try This Is the People Bun and I've Had an Train Myself to Depressive on DD Is Defined As a Pressing I'd I Actually Reach the Point Where I Think a Partner so Useless That I Just Never Present over yet I Never I Never Want I Never Start a Conversation That Way You Minimalist Wanna Send You Know Mr Creepier Mode into the Someone You Know or in the Early Days of Benadryl A Lot Of Those Doodles and Things but I Find It Is Do Not Do That Anymore It's Easy to Play Fine Adjustments and Someone Text for All the Doodles That I Will Ascend Are Probably Not Fit for Arm Consumption Myself for My Wife and My Wife Refuses to Wear Having Another Watch II Threatened Her Is That You Know What I'm Gonna Buy You Another Watch You around Christmas Time and You It May Come from Santa I Don't Know That the Point Is That It Is like I Have a Watch It's a Beautiful Watch I Don't Want Another Watch so I'd Switch the Last Minute and Got a Pandora Bracelet Instead Remove Good Money out I Think It Was a Very Worked out Nicely in the End so There You Go. So My Wife Achieved She Has an Airport so I Think for the Single Has after Minor Think Being a Developer I Got My Monday Wanamaker Must Develop a Listening and Then She Got Hers I Think for a Birthday like Shortly Afterwards and Abound for the First Week in a Winter the Tap Playing in the under What You Call Those Exploding Fireworks Type Things and Draw the Pictures and I Find after the Item No Matter Not a Romantic Guy but I Just Stop by Completely Sending Any of Those There Are Novelties That Wears off Its I Guess O'Connor Felt a Bit like a Gimmick That Being a Sender Heartbeat Is, Call and Having Someone on the Wrist Is Comical to That the Drawing the Doodle Thing to Me I Spell a Bit Odd but in a Tiny Little Screen Monitors Are Yeah Exactly Is Very Hard to Be Precise Not Block the Precision May Be Necessary Point Review Try to Convey a Message and a Diagram Than Your Baby Is Not the Right Way to Do It Either I Guess Maybe I'm Just Annoyed That the Yeah I Got a Bracelet in the Watch I Can Attest That Theory Both As a Gift Tesla for Me so Maybe That's Okay Yellow Occurred I'm Husband His Wife We Speak for Every Single Husband-And-Wife Even for Boyfriends and Girlfriends and Partners Are There Seed None None of You Have To Test This Love of Done for You Good Fantastic but Also Oracle Okay so I'm Look More about the Complication Sizes Though II Just Because the Thing Is When I Started Looking into This so White before Whenever Watch Came out Was Curious about This This Different Complications and What Would Be Potentially Possible in Future Business All Sorts of Different Sizes so All the Different Screens Are Rather Soft Earlier They're All Different Size Convocations They Got Circular Which Is the Colour Watch Face in the Corners Only in the Modular Small and Modular Large the Modular Small Is in the Top Left Corner and S3 along the Bottom Large Ones the Big Sucker in the Middle and a Site Three Line 3 Rows of of Text Which Is the Biggest Are Complication You Can Have with a Much Information You Need on the Yeah and Then on the Utility Are Large and Small Which Works in Utility and Mickey Mouse but Utility Mickey Mouse at Top Left and Right Corners Are Simple Actually As a Model for Corners Chronograph Top Left Bottom Left Bottom Right Corner Is in the Utility Large Which Is Utility and Mickey Mouse Is a Bar across the Bottom near Sagas Interesting Thing about These and I'm Sure This Is Where You Going but These Are Misery Fuel Template Based so You Don't Act As a Developing Targeted Design, like the Graphic Either Side and Something in the Middle Notes Literally Arm He Is the Three Choices for This Bigger Spot You Can Have a Graphic on the Left and Text We Can Do Is Have Text That There Is No like That Option in Some Case That Exactly and It and in Terms of Looking at the Real Estate and the Screens I Also Just Had a Quick Look and Now This Link in the Shadows If You're Interested Are If Your Solicitors about It but to Do This about 2 to 6 Pixels of Difference Depending upon Which Convocation You Talk about between 38 Mm and a 42 Mm Apple Watch Your Hands Run If You Run All the Numbers and You like All the Different Numbers Drop Out Of All the Different Combinations of Possibilities EEE Natalie Is Quite Complicated Which Company Was Really Not That Funny but You It Was Maybe Funny the First Time but I'm Not Sure Recommended to Pass the Fine Is Fair Enough Is Totally Fair You Call Me on K Oracle Guns Looking after Listeners Are Thinking Right Now That They're Driving or the Commuting Someone Alone, John III Time Really I Know That BPO Jim Davies Who Does the Garfield Strip Would Say the Boy's Arm Say That the Joke Gets Funnier after Rossi Have the Initial Funny Gets Bad and We Do It Gets Funny after That I Get Minor I Think You Either Have To Stop Doing It We Discover All in That It yet Guy Says You Got on It, Earning Their Ago All Right Are so Now We've Got All That Copycat Stuff Out Of the Way Considers That the Owning It Arm What I Want to Do Is Talk about How You Figure out What on Earth You Actually Put into a Complications What What Is the Value of a Complication Is Not the Problem Is Icing Complications the Donation Display Any Live Information the Justin Icon of There at All of Themselves You Tap It and Is a Sure Cupboard Monitors the App and I See That I Might Well That's Not with This Not Dynamic As a Dozen Ad in Any Information Okayed Removes Tapping the Crown Swiping Tapping or Maybe If You've Got a Glance up in Glance Wipe up across and Tap It to Get into the App You Know and That yet Is in Your Single Tap so I Get That It Is a Shortcut That Works but to Me That's Taking up Valuable Complication Space on Mice on My Watch and Dear When I Agree I Do I Do Realise Tapping the Crown Is a Little Bit Complex and of the Icons on in the Middle You Might Have To Pan around and Sometimes in I Still Hit the Wrong Icon in This Site. 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Russell Ivanovic

Russell Ivanovic

Russell writes at his site called Rusty Rants and is the co-founder of Shifty Jelly.

John Chidgey

John Chidgey

John is an Electrical, Instrumentation and Control Systems Engineer, software developer, podcaster, vocal actor and runs TechDistortion and the Engineered Network. John is a Chartered Professional Engineer in both Electrical Engineering and Information, Telecommunications and Electronics Engineering (ITEE) and a semi-regular conference speaker.

John has produced and appeared on many podcasts including Pragmatic and Causality and is available for hire for Vocal Acting or advertising. He has experience and interest in HMI Design, Alarm Management, Cyber-security and Root Cause Analysis.

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