Pragmatic 49: A Bow On The Handlebars

13 December, 2014

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With holiday cheer Vic and John dive into some of the finer details of Christmas and the Holiday season looking at wrapping paper and sticky tape, what to wrap, what you shouldn’t and why, and a bit about Santa (warning for young kids POSSIBLE SPOILERS!)
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Welcome to the Christmas special of pragmatic pragmatic Christmas specials are an annual discussion show concertina practical difficulties of organising gifts relatives and get-togethers in the holiday season exploring the real-world frustrations we look at how history brought us to this point and transforms all from kids anticipating Christmas to grownups dreading it nothing about Christmas is as simple as it seems this episode is sponsored by harvest harvest lets you time your tasks wherever you might be doing them and then easily analyse your timesheet attract nonbillable or hopefully billable hours then turn those into invoices for your clients with both PayPal and stripe integration check out harvest and get harvest or one word.com and sign up for a free 30 day trial and start tracking your time and invoicing others simply and painlessly once your photo trials up use the coupon code pragmatic at the checkout and you'll also say 50% off your first month but hurry this offer expires 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start out always sang happy holidays or as Anthony has been happening more recently arm or firstly I still say Merry Christmas ours aside why I think that I have always seen things leap seasons greetings and happy holidays exist but that they're getting much much more prevalent and I have personally adult North that if this is a reflection of the way the trend is actually realistically happen but I've personally observed that over the last decade or so as is it really seemed to favour of the seasons greetings and happy holidays the more neutral things versus Christmas you that's been my observation is well in Australia typically Merry Christmas are still very common but I'm staying to see the Merry Christmas signs the ones you would dangle up that have all the letters and festive colours again they're all staying to read you a happy Christmas or happy holidays and let you know I suspect that some degree of that is that they will come from the same same warehouse in now some part of Southeast Asia our ship probably welcome yard of the soap and quite possibly and of course it's more about the year the fact is that it's a holiday period for several different arm religions and the people that aren't specifically religious freely and ask your EAE and therefore the sentiment happy holidays as I think generally considered to be more politically correct or at least more are culturally accepting so in either case I'm I'm used to say Merry Christmas I guess it's hard permitted to break the habit of the it's necessarily a bad thing but there are no I think what I've observed is honestly accurate recall any buddy that there are approximately 70 seasons greetings and happy holidays I think it usually an end in conversations and talking to people and interacting with people at some of Foley's Merry Christmas but I think in general implant where TV big banners are that paper things I think most of those aware of seeing that the chef to seasons greetings and happy holidays now far enough wild I guess the thing of our IIS winder to move on to date as quickly as some of the ways that Christmas is now Christmas music and are I had originally threatened arm to sing this episode are not going to I had enough feedback on to suggest that I was about IDS I'm not an they go find in the arm but yes R however I do think it would be nice just to quickly arm touch on our favourite Christmas song you first bar eight and the favour instrumental staff versus vocal staff and to that end are my favourite is usually some rendition or another after all the bells I can play are my personal favourite is that exactly jingle bells and it's been mixed and remixed and done some in different ways and cause jingle Bell Rock as well the menace is a sneer but the funny thing about jingle bells as a song is actually was originally arm released our 1853 and it was called one horse open sleigh and was renamed in 1859's are and jingle bells and and technically if you think listen to the lyrics it wasn't necessarily specifically a Christmas related song that became associated with Christmas because Alessio often played around that time of year anyway now is all things ER is my favourite but yet and I particularly enjoyed the ER the ER Bombay Dub orchestras remix are of Joe Williams version either single out a site that would under no noses yeah you hang on you haven't seen nine men have you know I have not Vic fine which you know what I mean three arm in in in the workshop retesting as new super beginning before you get introduced to the man Mandarin are our year he had that he says drop a needle and start playing jingle bells the Bombay dub orchestras remix of Joe Williams version and a day is absolutely brilliant the love that drivers will drop manual will through Laura will check it out yet please Dell billing conditions okay so arm I thought it might be a little bit fun to delve into a couple little things about Christmas that arm under no interest or frustrated or have certain our engineering aspects to my thing with the housing about what you're okay but before we do that I guess I just want to talk about dumb I suppose the idea of giving of gifts and and so on and is like who gives gifts to her what the rules are and there's this because you think parents always give well hang on a lot of parents will give presence of the children but some families children be giving presence to each other and in some families our children will give presence of the parents and then when parents or get Miller and my groups of adults or get together you know sometimes they'll give presence to everyone else and you end up having a gift list that is so long you can't afford to pay for it all hero and a cycle that's ridiculous and so then I came across this sad this idea and obviously wasn't non-different idea I have no idea how long this has been a thing Burt's are the concept of secret Santa URS one year see only came across this about arm while 12 years ago actually one that my wife she comes from a bigger family so are in in in a bigger family the economics of everyone buying a browser present was just unfair in unfeasible and so I had this idea of secret centre where everyone puts their name into our into a hat or a bucket or some other neo-nontransparent -containing device and a anyway so you the official name out and everyone gets one secret Santa but you can't tell them who you have is your secret Santa letter secret credits secret yet to enter I icon like the idea shall really like the idea you have a voice that was a good idea good solid plan to keep things fine without cheapening it but it does significantly reduce the burden CD-ROM need to take out second mortgages to over Christmas yeah well that's exactly right so yeah exactly right so arm anyway all right so a little bit about the presence themselves until about Sandra later but are wrapping presents the funny thing is if you go back far enough wrapping was actually not something that was as common it was sort of affluent families could afford to do the whole wrapping thing the sack was actually the favoured method because it concealed what it was and it was reusable and it was cheap and I and and that's what a lie and of course in many cases no wrapping and no so the whole wrapping paper thing in tearing that the wrapping paper often the support that the moment of surprise you know when open the presence and everything you all that sort of thing is is come already more recent data you the last century or two prior to that not not not so common but anything that causes the wrapping paper types of evolved over the years as well which is kind of you I guess it can't make sense because there was no plastic before 1950 or 1940 when it was so naïve thing I have a date that Bernardo didn't shot that one down but anyhow so the wrapping paper that I find interesting is that a lot of the the cheaper staff is very very thin very very flimsy and absolutely because it's light and of course it's good Bethany environment because not killing quite as many trees in order to wrap presence just rip off the paper and then throw the paper away goodness me please recycle it anyway and it's a balance you between and I just I do not want the right term as in a court rip ability to tear ability the other API just wish I had a technical term for a you know you're in your ability to rip it off anyway our gees anyway so are versus the robustness during our of of the wrapping and transportation because honestly you're moving it from Leo Mayer wherever you we are moving it from and moving it to presumably a tree or wherever that sort of movements you don't you want to be strong enough that it can survive that Burt's not so strong that it makes it too hard to open so it sort of an interesting balance anyway arm sober look a bit more about this are the different types of wax paper and cellophane as there is very popular in the mid-20th century at least in Western cultures anyway and prior to that now saying) was I popular but paper is by far the most popular method now and you got either tissue wrap or craft paper and an aircraft paper with the year the nice pretty patterns in the outsiders again by far the most popular tissue wrap I'm done a few things in tissue rabbit you know I just don't like the way they look you know they do it don't seem to have as nice a finish don't feel as Christmassy to make sense electives that if you're out what I'm doing and not not wrapping something but I'm doing a gift bag thing all year yet as use of this like a loose fluffy filling thing that can make go down into the bag and hang out of the bag and overflowed a bag yeah okay finishing more than anything negative: sure you and also by putting it back by putting in the top of the bag you disguise the contents of the lots in the back which is also important if you because I sometimes I do get this this impression the people does get a bag and they shall be present in the bag and and that's the end about a like new job done in a little effort into it but isn't that the point of a bag you don't have to put effort into it arm 804 Mayors now I would guess some people could see it that way I think a lot of people see it that way which I exaggerate commonly a lot of the toes my wife gifts will be in a bag but it's not because of a lack of effort it's because usually it's a it's a small set of gaffes and and it's a way to collect them all together and are usually really enjoyed picking out a colour-coordinated bag and and reverence for the bag in tissue papers for it and sleep before I put anything in the bag aligning with that the tissue paper that extends a little bit and then I'll wrap the items with tissue paper and the limb in the bag and a small fluffy tissue paper and their other is what makes you creative and creative ways to do things you mean other than your apps yet well all I know is that our I now want you to our do all of the bag to presence are in my life example you actually put effort into it which is fantastic so I guess the other thing another thing that occurs to me is the point of wrapping a present putting in a bag is to conceal what it is so what is it with people they just put a bow on the handlebars mean what's the boat concealing exactly our adult figures concealing anything except the only really big huge thing this is your present Ya exactly so anyway all right I look about and I think myself okay so I get you can let let's answer bike you know that is that that someone is is giving to someone else for whatever reason and EA year really amount to wrap that in such a way that it doesn't look like a bike I mean the aphids assembled up know it is not a membership or an enormous box which most people don't have line around or are you keep it flat packed and then of course it's like he is a bike I that that I gotcha you have to put together yourself but assembly not included but he is a he denies about but you go through that that that assembly process, stuck arduous anyway so there's gotta be some kind of point at which you say right this is no longer a rentable object I can no longer disguise what this thing is on is not a bowler so in a case I've seen a few missing summits are like a tennis racket they given someone and they've wrapped the bottom of the tennis racket or but they've left the handle exposed or something like that my golf clubs were they've wrapped half the air something either that or that they wrap the whole thing but it still has crystal-clear obvious that it's a tennis racket a very graphic exactly it's like how really if you can't disguise a shape but I reckon you shouldn't worry that's all there is to know what bone handlebars go for it because I get it you can't just put them in a box and disguise what it is metres this summer sometimes I've given presence usually do into arm to family members arm by adults is if it's an expensive but it's small like a bit of jewellery and are for example I'll wrap it inside a box and put that in wrap that box inside another box inside another box is another biting at 11 yard five boxes so was issued box at the present what's took 10 minutes to get to the dam present but it was completely worth it anyhow well I thought it was hilarious my wife perhaps did not see the funny side of it orthodox now the fourth box patients of growth and that's okay Prem anyone is lifted if there was S5 530 anyway all right so well yes so yes am I guess the year that the next interesting thing well okay I say interesting that the next the next thing to think about is that is holding all of that wrapping paper on in this like my hangar doing any sticky tape larger exactly but with little about sticky tape like talk about the sponsor this episode and that's harvest and many people as you shall spend their time working on home projects and work projects to and you lose track of time we talked about this on the show before 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applies to any of their plans hurry though this offer expires on 15 January 2015 thank you once again to harvest the sponsoring pragmatic sticky tape reasons were what that's what I call it that different people different places a rentable core different things technically it's PSA which is pressure sensitive adhesive tape that is a technical term yes because it's pressure sensitive well year kinder but anyway is not a preannouncement here now is a ceiling appointed to much pressure what happened to some tape can't take the pressure okay anyway so was actually in our no dodgers or your mind are you shaking your head as I was a bad joke so it's a second one okay Dr Horace day in 1845 the originally developed for medical applications he was surgeon but commercially didn't really hit the scene till the 1910s now these days can be made of our different backing material seagull plastic paper metal foil even our or cloth backed as well but the Christmas wrapping is really only two types most commonly used times you got plastic back clear tape and that clear tape allows the Ya pattern of your wrapping paper to shine through or you have a plastic bags are ornamental tape which is the one at Scottdale pretty our Christmas trees and holy and also develop different limitations on all snowmen tensely the zombies who knows anyway you newsletter spice up plain wrapping paper but I can't think that people sometimes cross the streams but on that and they say well I got colourful ornamental wrapping paper with colourful metal tape unlike dialogue with the title of the paper to the tape and look at some very confusing I know maybe I'm just overthinking it is quite possible but anyhow yes so plastic back clear tape is by far the most popular and that's one the focus on why because well why not so three most common names that I'm aware of and maybe you can add to this is Sellotape which is of course brand-name scotch tape is 3M's product range name and of course to get a July open with what other whatever words would you use to describe scotch tape as is probably the biggest one here is Alistair's forehead by exposure to it and I think that it's kind of been clean exercised if I can make that a word arm down any kind of clear plastic sticky tape is usually constructed a peer offer and iPhone app and that's cool I dismount is the case most things use pride long enough it has a brand name that brand-name becomes again part of the part of everyday discourse anyhow yes say not all about okay so it takes you I never thought I'd have an episode of pragmatic that involved adhesives but here we are anyhow in her mind that sheer strength of adhesive tape versus the Peel strength and of course now if that's not clear what that means is the amount of force a dual required to remove it through peeling is different from the amount from pulling so I say Peel versus pulling in a if you apply a piece of tape to a flat surface and then you take the corner of it if you get the corner of any peel that up are at 90° are your you pull at 90° from the surface upon which it isn't he adhered to then that would that is referred to as the Peel the peeling strengthens the force required to peel off and sheer strength is I know you put the tape down on the adherence to the surface and then you pull in a lateral direction that is to say you don't lift the 90° she lived on the same axis that it is stuck to so there is a bunch of lease insurance if you're really interested about some of the differences but I decided to pick one of the most common scotch tapes are that you could find and it has a sheer strength of well over £28 per inch and that is rotated is three because of an integers 19 mm wide and that works out 225 N of force against purging as per inch which is open 25 mm worth of that with the tape the length of anything I think about this problem length with with length going forward landscapes all messed up anyhow to the ego and a great art although admittedly when you're holding presently at the amount of force required are told that together is a significantly less the problem that you have when your wrapping is actually the amount of force you apply when you apply the tape to the surface as it is pressure sensitive the more pressure you apply the better it will stick however are it's often the case of your wrapping presents that if there is empty space that is no hard surface to press against you can't apply enough force to reliably hold in place yet because the other issue is that that sheer strength is based on arm is based on the paper so I said 20 8R pounds princess that states that he is adhering to paper if you were to adhere to steel or to plastic it would be different and of course that's assuming a services free of contaminants if you have contaminants in the service like oil or dirt or a water that will change and renewal it will reduce the amount over of holding faucets got before she is off anyway there you go that's it that's that's about as far as I can go and that a mechanic could say more but anyway all rights arm to anybody else would have done as good a job covering tape/writer said I could do a lot more but I'm not going to this I am just I'm I am self-aware enough that I know I need to draw a line at some point under an death again time out Peel strength and removing things let's talk about removing pricetags who they can get messy sometimes yes it can because it's like oh only give you a present and you the adult do you look at this like our man I wonder what that is and sometimes it's like I go to the same shop that you go to and you can see all this is that thing that you got much of icing mothers in its worth five bucks use dingy bug and then you have a look and think I have no idea what this is worth its books really nice and thoughtful gift and you never find out unless you leave the pricetag on site five bucks a navigator were stored or price comparison use dingy bug anyhow the selling price expectations seriously it's supposed to be the thought that counts Vic it is yeah sorry get me for Christmas minimum spend $500 now is getting a K anyhow a mile over that your name don't have an idea right anyhow yes so the thing about that the pricetag this year it would be an issue if people didn't get their knickers in a knot about how much is enough for how it is expected that all things I like about secrets and ideas are often associated with that is that there is an expectation I'm a bit of a discussion about feminine say you don't spend more than draw line here and you look at it is colder right end of the program yet exactly right co-upfront now more or less the front and encoding yet asset so absolutely and and then that way that avoids disappointment frustration and whatever else because in your surveys the other dilemma if you can't think of whatever else to get in the print and spend limits hundred dollars cycle God I can't think of a single thing that is worth $100 I want to get them then what you do via multiple presence and then a plan anything all day got our law – without fake cash about gift cards you know what that would do people the trade gift cards I will give you $100 gift voucher from our displays and you give me a little give Faust better from some other place I really I have yes you and it's happened to me you and I and I had this sense does that make this an episode of Dilbert the day we are choosing the date of Dilbert and are it was I forget the name the episode but it was about giftgiving and and the talks and in the subject comes up of giving a gift card in AIT and ends forget who it was that that said it it shows that you know I gave your gear I could give you a gift card and if that Ian and there was is what services that make any says what shows there is some thought that went into it said it showed a dozen social thought shows defective thought I'm trading I'm trading a very fully flexible form of currency for an inflexible form of currency that is only valid in one location there certificate now 100 cash last year she said it was insulting to get certificate is different from cash that the bulk pieces of paper you can exchange for goods and services are missing the point actually a gift certificate is worse than cash because you can only use in one place and it expires it shows defective fight you're trading perfectly good money for something that does the same thing only not as well gift cards I don't get it anyhow just looking to get onto gift cards Microsoft has sale I gift cards are well guess what sunshine competition my family don't listen to this podcast on safe rights any gynaecologic arm I get a feeling it might anyhow have mine that idea mean right yes so anyhow whatever things that that is is interesting is an interesting dilemma about Christmas is the who what when where you know because to our presence and who gives presence to her hands and I guess one antisocial forget that is is the just mob the whole thing with with kids changing the equation now before I had kids you know parents it all be about neighbour and given each other you nice nice presence and the price the presence was generally pretty high because when when you when you drive you got your own income and everything you can afford to get nice presents every decision have kids and then as Elijah seems a bit everything changes and ceases to be about go to a dog presence or whatever else which frankly I think we have got that you you can't even do hundred dollars with a value in a lot of cases if you're doing a full round robin Yvonne Byron is a presence I could God and yet so expensive anyway so why would you do that you go secrets any Cost blubber becomes about the kits of the money that you would spend another rails now ghost was the kids in the space the kids can enjoy anyway along the only adults so you know it's like it ceases to become about the grown-ups becomes more about a show for the kids and the kids as a lover and I think that's brilliant so it's a sort of thing that I think that there is definitely a change arm when you either have kids of your only have nieces and nephews of all game cousins I suppose with junkies whatever rights of the who what when where how why if but hang on that's for wise and my I did English settled about the at school they talk about the 55W is in the heart so is it who what we were well aware anyhow why and how we await you get seeded for wise and ate why why did you put originate exactly that's the question ever you cover the fifth for the W would invite anyway okay good lovely anyhow so point is our yes who what kind and are ready so your family and maybe do maybe don't you got friends whatever you're in maybe green was maybe day but you do is a collection of people who'd how do you decide where you go and what you do is when I was a kid nowhere was open nothing nothing was IBM and English are because while why would you go anywhere on Christmas Day be spend the day with your family wouldn't you McDonald's was an open not I'm suggesting people have criticised McDonald's actually do my don't ever seen one that is minute does happen lowercase let's assume I don't because it's just seems strange to me when I have birthday parties their members anything that McDonald's could look into anyway is the money you tell me that Jack-in-the-Box does or something like that are goal at the okay while here in Australia is becoming a thing and I was like in North America may be contaminated that in Australia it's becoming a thing we can do a Christmas feast and you would go to a place like like Sizzler or are some the larger pubs like Gilhooly saw a yellow arm no outback steakhouse may be I'm not sure of a complete list that the number is growing every single year more and more places are doing a special Christmas day lunchtime or evening our special meal pay an exorbitant amount of money and honestly it is exorbitant but the demand is great because people look at this and so why do want to go through all the hassle of making food and you give people food poisoning lacks and tells all the other things because we are wrong you know what I could go to a public place where everyone has to be well-behaved as in a public place minimal drinking and you all that is taking care of form it is no cleaning up afterwards so what's $100 ahead she could take my money you and a lot of people look at it like they are I've seen an increasing trend is you're seeing in North America are not so much where I live in with the people that AA interact with regularly but I could definitely see where a lot of people appreciate the value of that you and I'm not saying that my family doesn't either but I am singing guy I have I been a similar such things for rum Mother's Day and Father's Day and you different different events Valentine's Day is another one having on Valentine's Day but I'm from you it's a is if there is a reason to arm charge a lot of money and do the catering for you someone eventually these days is going to offer to their well analogous unit you named several good reasons there why people might wonder shall I totally get that you get you get a section of you get some control in order to your holiday gathering without you are necessarily having to be the a holder tried to impose all the rules and wrecked everybody's good time as she can you this is that the thing is it also avoids a discussion of the who what when where how why yet if if but and it comes back to okay well we've got five families whose house do we have it at the okay so and because you have the distant England problem so I can't I live in Seattle with say and my in-laws live in San Francisco now okay so I will go to Frisco or they can come up to us and is our alliance like wow we got the space Needle Nikkei and we're going a bridge soaks now whatever point is you can keep the space Needle point is arm had a nice view that I will admit that the truth is that it's becomes a rotational thing so this year were gonna go to fiasco next year were gonna go to space neon signs of and because people get no more more people get married is more in-laws and then suddenly the whole thing falls apart and ceases to become like the old family unit and the Ross ice to splinter often and they start doing their own thing between different to different locations and alternating Christmases even if it's in the same town often you have the same thing while we will have it at at at Bobby Jo's house as opposed to Mary Jane's house whatever contracting you know, names or something done yet so on and that every year you ever need to have a turn and then of course we will look forward to having the Christmas at a certain place because at a certain place they've got a pool or I guess sorry you're my go swimming in North America to realise that that's more of a distraction in the Alice governor is fear of being it is like you go good luck similarly low level authority swimming no sorry my my bad apologies but yes so you may be someone's gneiss slope nearby we can go get the other slid out and go for the kids can go for a spin downhill or something holiday is of course we have a white Christmas and now I've been dreaming of a white Christmas but administrator soaps that's not gonna happen keep on dreaming did not know how did you get the pleasure of any of those when your estate so that or when my dear Caleb I did yes I did actually I had to Christmases and I was in North America and Dar both of them are white because are both in Calgary and that well okay one of them was very white the other was sort of a greyish white silver slushy kind there snowy with lovely snow was technically snow saw death I could pretend that everybody thought about it if this really sets the mood and feels great that there is no one now notice either dishonest go young like I've been dreaming of a grey slushy Christmas and are just now is lacklustre alienation having an answer to totally new one sets climb the charts anyway yes to the go i.e. are I think it's absolutely and a necessity for us to dig into Santa and Santa Claus. 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old St Nick in reference to centre different name for the same bloke right and he actually lived in the fourth century in what is now Turkey and upon his death 6 December was nominated as a feast day to celebrate his are the all the stuff that he did when he could see was a saint named St after a past way report as feast day and it was during the late late fourth century the Pope Julius the first decided to set a date to celebrate the birth of Jesus the problem was the actual time of year the date that Jesus was born was and remains somewhat imprecise so the Pope assigned a holiday to December 25 and that aligned with a pagan midwinter festival called you all are often referred to as our Yuletide product for you all time that roughly translates to solitude tradition the two traditions then intertwined over time it's been quite a few century since then and a lot of cultures have you have had influences from that area interestingly in Holland are St Nick was sort of mutated into our centre class and they maintain the original 56 December date is post the 25th and thought the Dutch settlers in North America brought the idea of centre class which eventually became psyched clause and then Santa Claus that's one theory several less than one more popular theories as to how it happened like so many of these things they start out they Morrow mutates you know and evolve the exact the exact lineage is not precisely documented that unfortunately burning any sober time that day Christmas Day became more amounts of food and presence than any saint in what he may or may not have done or any Christian celebration regarding the birth of Jesus even though technically they're reasonably sure was on that date you in fact I remember reading some of the things a complete different time of year but irrespective the whole concept of a self is someone giving out presents to children gain a lot of wider popularity and I was sort of in the 19th century and the modern interpretation of of centre sort of driven a lot by upon and that upon labour everyone knows the biological note upon Elise Neapolis available for Christmas indeed but it was not actually called that originally it was actually called a visit from St Nicholas and it yet but it was no burritos as by yarn by Clement Moore is 1822 never funny thing is for the longest time I had believed that the image of centre that we are used to today which is the jolly old me no portly gentleman are wearing red suit with whites arm fluffy bits on it that Alistair: you know whatever white fluffy stuff that ever. Gotta have a bed quite right yes that to square one. Well the thing is I thought a lot I came back to marketing from Coca-Cola in the 1940s but is actually not older than they had it it is in is what I didn't realise until only a few years ago was actually Thomist Thomas Nast are and originally are he and he wrote even did to our sketches and drawings and sign for Harper's weekly the so-called single Journal of civilisation and our this magazine was our produce periodically and in 1863 was the first time that it's recorded where Santa was depicted in a red suit and dark and with the appearance that we should have come to come to know in Western culture now it's very true that in the 40s that Coca-Cola use this in their own advertising and its it's also true that their product colours matched the colours of the same red and white colour motif of centre's outfit now whether or not they knew or they didn't know about Nast's work is not actually clear and there are so much arm should we say so many different opinions and so-called facts about that I think will ever know the truth the reality is that I wasn't the first occurrence and is common misconception however it's certainly what popularised is no doubt about that okay so let's talk about the physics of centre now there is there is a magazine published in 1990 spy magazine the January edition is link the show notes if you want to read it there is no byline actually originally it was a rabbit I was originally written by two different people are collaborating are is often attributed to someone called Richard Waller but actually wasn't him it was actually Bruce Handy and Joel Tishman who was an intern at the time and are it gets repeated often in pop culture at this time of year that's the physics of Santa Claus have you ever read this one that goes around I have night and be very interesting to check it out when you put the link in the shallots yes it's not I don't want to go through all the detail but it looks into the physics of of essentially how many it doesn't S there is an estimate of how many people there that are that believe are that followed the Christian Christian traditions of Christmas let's say are believing in giftgiving and so on and with Santa Claus and because not all cultures now except samples they don't look mean many don't many religions don't so you it takes that number and figures and hammer roughly how many kids there would be it then figures out how much an average present would weigh their figures out how big this lie would have to be taken to contain all the presents they would forget their figures out how fast would have to travel to visit every single house given an average distance between houses and how many reindeer would take to pull that slay that distance and Sue goes on goes on sale for so is actually reuse it is actually quite hilarious when you read it really is and of course the ultimate arm solution to this problem is of course that Santa has the ability to bend time that that's close to my theory would likely remain very yes please I think that Santa could be a Time Lord in that the sleep could be a Taurus rule that's not a bad one could well be it and since Mama kids into Doctor Who that works to we should talk about Doctor Who sometime flag at graphics we should put that on the list we should okay arm manual for the show that the same way they go so I thought that's interesting is link shows the original article in its entirety reads and it read in its entirety although arm may not necessarily suggest that our younger children would find it as entertaining as grown-ups but never mind yet okay so going to our when I start to her on the on the downward slide when the downslope summary along episode will know this and that's okay so I guess one of the questions that I I think about is if you're not a religious person or an overly religious person for not Christian or pagan or any other religion that celebrates the list the holiday season is worse it stands in a what is the point of Christmas exactly and obviously the answer is be different for every different person and my problem is that I'm cognisant of the fact that some people out there and potentially people are listening to this may not have family they made they could be they could be orphans DO arm yet they could be in a unique server in indifference Leah's living situation with a long long way from their family and they can't celebrate or is out of range of communications you for whatever reason menace of an offshore oil rig and now it's raining really heavily on satellites can't get through members of myriad of possible reasons but the vast majority of people and I don't mean to dismiss the people that aren't but the vast majority of people that I can think of that I keep going through in my head would have a family of some description even if it's just a brother sister mother father somebody and so to me that's right turn to when I try and figure out what's the point the point is our springtime family and it seems reason: excuse if you like but I don't like to think of it in those terms I like to think that it's a reason to spend time with your family and if the it's a great reason to spend time the family in North America you guys also have Thanksgiving which is another example of families getting together we don't have that here so it's less of a thing we have other other occasions of the dates were families typically get together in Ephesus for a barbecue or whatever in yet throw a couple of palm fronds in the Barbie or as were supposed to say shrimp on the Barbie we know: shrimp but anyway the mites fine spine discover stereotype men you'll come back now you here okay go see a GoToMeeting loan to see that said anyhow okay hah their young this shows becoming injury Chris previous episodes anyhow okay so I guess it's something I am beyond that of course if you have children or if this children involved in something the kids really look forward to all all year long but the other thing of course is that there is other advantages of your parent to Christmas because it so it can help with motivational strategies for dealing with children in the lead up to Christmas you if you don't behave then generate source of coercion yeah that's right it's the it's sort of a carrot I guess rather than the stick right that's the expression carried the stick so you know I think that that also is awesome as a parent with the most awesome size that has advantages amenity obviously kids also have birthdays but now there's a synchronicity to Christmas such that everyone gets their present same time same date which has other advantages senior because is no collective reason for the collective group to be good if only one person is having a birthday doesn't matter if anyway get the idea so nevermind that got me thinking no there was one Christmas that I did spend alone I was in Canada and are my family is an outside world and is all of my friends were away I can inference away doing different different Christmassy things the following library alone it was rough yes it was arm and I don't recommend really it just not I'm just not that sort of person I couldn't I didn't handle it well the following year when I was over encounter again upon hearing this year Glenn from previous year wonderful person that I worked with arm barb she invited me to her family's place to have Christmas at their place which was a very touching beautiful gesture from a work colleague and that I will never forget and arm it was made that that gesture of of thoughtfulness was young like is it still touches me to this date so I think being spending time with with family or friends even is is the point and I I don't like to see that that's about all my giving presence and eating lots and lots and lots and stupid amounts of food you know I mean I think nice food is nice to know it should be the thought the Council of the dollar value you know something that I I look forward to that the presence and things that people are put time and effort into them is interpersonally you know even if it's something like a for either I would value and cherish a framed photo of someone that I cared about over you know he is this little knickknack I bought same dollar value from from a gift store in psycho it's a little piggy bank birds in the shape of a boat and a great thanks you isolate and please give because the point is they can become my pleas any money can anyhow so please give us anyhow are and survives the food goes everyone tends to over you and assenting Thanksgiving right as I read this all the time on on twitter after Thanksgiving of it demand from set out everything was since my weight loss surgery I can't do that anyhow even if I tried it would be too painful so I wouldn't do it better and you sort of thing that it can be very different Christmas memberships to be the first Christmas since I've had my weight loss surgery so it's going to be very different I don't know if it's going to be difficult it may well be armed because I won't be able to approach it from that angle as I have in the past and that's okay that's my that's my choice as my problem is following are the best and probably is for the best are and DO everything in moderation right good food not lots of food is good food and yet nice white not lots and lots of wine because no one wants to be the are the uncle passed down the sofa now no because then you might like for example one you get covered in wrapping paper that is left over from the presence wrapping paper is out there no I did not do it but yes I did laugh and yes it was hilarious that would be funny anyhow and I gotta say the Gator gets drunk and presses other Christmas probably disproves it is quite yes indeed that anyhow so did you have any other thoughts or commentary on Christmas before we let people get back to their Christmas because by the time was it this episode may well already be close to Christmas day loading and loading the podcast on and are on their brand-new iPods or iPhones or iPads after after they got them as a Christmas present who knows if you're extra extra lucky gets an eye for Christmas present no I think you covered everything and I don't think I did I dwelling I could have covered a lot more for you probably could that you can draw a line somewhere I do is newly oversold to go from now till Christmas tree and no I don't you write because that would be the whole idea of an eggy guy really important things well the irony relative to the pilot that the big important things to talk about cool I thank you bottom line is I do understand the irony of me suggesting that people need to spend time with their family whilst either they are listening to me telling them that they should be spending more time with their heard Aaron Mannion of mine that let's hope we get this at the waist early and then you can get in there and do the back do the right thing being I whatever okay good so my last advice is don't overindulge have a great time enjoy each other's company recycle your wrapping paper please recycle it she is okay don't just chuck in the dam rubbish bin as which been putting so this point I think we better wrap up this episode are actually included tips about rapping about that if you want talk more about this you can reach me on Twitter and John Geagea and my writing is podcast numbers are made hosted IT distortion.com if you like to get in touch with Vicki can be reached at twitter at Vic Hudson one if you'd like us any feedback please use the feedback from the website that's where you'll also find Shannon to this episode in the podcast pragmatic if there are topics you'd like to cover you can suggest and vote on them at the site under topics once you sign up for a free account please contact now we've had a whole bunch of new dwelling is 10 new topics that have been added just in the last few weeks so please if you've already voted go back and check it out there's new 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