Pragmatic 76: Banned

20 October, 2016


Marco and I discuss how the Apple Watch brought us both back to wearing watches and the search for the ideal Watch Band for every use case.

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Listen to untying the white bands were an hour I don't know what's possible find out what is will find out welcome to pragmatic discussion to the practical application of technology by exploring the ideas and change our lives and nothing seems pragmatic as part of the engineering shows this one had a front page and other great shows as an today on your host John Geagea and today I'm joined by special guest Marco commentator Marco not too bad thanks for coming back on the show again in a while i.e. arm I guess I want to talk to you about something that some we both sort of arm gotten back more acquainted with recently because we should have both drifted away from watches and then whenever watch came out we sort of came back to them again I been wearing mine religiously but you've also held that a different experience bit and use of a name you start wearing out another watch and sort of that changed so I thought to be a great time to to have a chat about some somewhat related stuff that I've been itching to talk about for a long time so I am absolutely so just tell me a little bit about arm specifically by your journey to the last was about a year and 1/2 when when when you start with watchers again so I really hadn't you and I would like a really basic time XL city watch that link the theme and everybody had our the Iron Man whatever it was arm in middle school and high school and then makers can establish and after after a while and didn't wear a white really between high school and the Apple Watch at all and when the Apple Watch came out I wasn't even playing an applicant would normally have to develop forex and Apple developers so I am of course going to get one of these protesting up to where it alleges know what it's like to wear in and really get into it so I can adequately develop developed for it and when that when the watch him a AA really enjoyed and actually I really liked wearing a white and it turns out another watch world has known this for quite some time hundreds of years boat turns out that having the time available right there on your wrist is really convenient is actually an answer basically what happened was arm a I learned that I really enjoy what I enjoy with utility of it and the fashion of it I enjoy how it makes me look and feel arm in a nut that would look to other people but it held makes me look to myself and therefore had it makes me feel arm and the Apple Watch was was decent at the wet looked on me and was medial group to okay at telling time arm and everything else but the other white and I didn't really use that much I generally use apps I didn't really use some of the fitness tracking stuff for a little while but then the very first time there was a disconnect in my rings forced by a hardware swipe because the watched applicant and feel arm that can fell off the wagon a point of never really got back into it arm and and so I realise basically that a I liked wearing a watch for timekeeping our boat that the Apple Watch was properly not the right one for me to wear every day because it only does timekeeping okay and when you have EEE like analog wife of any soil whether it's mechanical 1/4 whatever arm of the hands are always showing you can always tell the time now and as a mentor about what to do this to our welly unit there is never any leave the Apple Watch you currently turnover a look at the time and a minimum in about 10% of the time doesn't ensure you exaggerate the gesture again and and the initiatives of the time it will show the time after a small delay but once you're accustomed to analog watch that small delay on the Apple Watch to even to the screen 29 arm seems barbaric comparison is a solid minor nitpicking is the newly relatively watchers are alike nice to have luxury items but when when your primary use of it is time to time I just found that other watchers did that better for me mouse fair enough I guess the one thing is I was curious about this is what roughly was the time the time gap season you had the watch replaces Hayley arm had a dodgy tactic sensor at the back thing and that was Harry months was that the due arm before that happened roughly arm was a few monitoring another watch Mickey Mouse and Liberals lead April last year arm and then wore it every day and a tapping engine broke sometime during the summer I think and their names are Gary pleaser for a few days and then a I discovered the joy mechanical watches our last winter so was it was in inner nine months of solid Apple Watch use before I realised the letter was about fair enough okay call will arm the reason I want to talk about arm this stuff is because arm it's not much the watch but it's how the watch attaches to your arm as I covered a lot about the arm the Apple Watch and the tactic engine on previous episodes of the show but one thing I've never really talked about but it's been bugging me a lot is something that the other watch mechanical watches have in common that is the way that they get attached to your wrist and it may seem a little bit odd but I guess I just I've always had either a steel band like a stainless steel link bracelet or I've had a leather band with a classic buckle and the funny thing is that prior to the Apple Watch I just never paid attention I never if you said Milanese loop to me I'd say K what I denied I just didn't pay any attention to it and I found that once I started wearing a watch and seeing all the different bands you get for it I she started me a investigating bit my thinking while that actually looks quite nice that's a different band and got myself so wondering while what's the best bandit you could actually wear another's personal preference but one thing so I I just II had to do was I'd try different ones that they had on the available number not my guess my spring specifically for the Apple Watch but I was thinking the same kind of ideas apply to any watch at all so I guess I was dumb I sorta started collecting well some genuine some nongenuine because you let's face it when the Apple Watch bans are a little bit sexy right there not chip so which are of the watchband has only had four for a little while and is I think that I have Oracle imaging you may have may have tried the modern buckle at some point and maybe was to form a beginning confuse not sure arm, miss remembering it's quite possible rates was visibly invites you once once again to the Apple Watch even before progressing because I had not worn a watch and so long I was going back and forth and fretting over all different band choices wandering from either a choice I was with what was getting in thinking about everyone's arm and your reality even went if it was only available on one band it would matter really happy but we will not like the very earliest personal computers that people had known nobody with a keyboard nerd back then because you had to keep working with errors and there are one available and that was it so that there are in I wasn't a controller nerd I'm a Sega Genesis night as there was one controller and okay that's that's what use and so was only faced only when faced with lots of choices do we have the luxury of being so picky and reality legally didn't have the choices we just we just put up with whatever it wasn't to be fine arm so I bite you in a one festival is to isolate a two-day honorary about it and and no rigid research trade for trade like analyse an estimate like while the modern buckle has the advantage of its always set the same size as you can snap it on you'll have to worry about getting in the wrong hauler getting putting on the wrong size or error and the link but it does that to and this one is magnetic in this one will be what approving your back-and-forth overall different attributes arm and there is a one-handed of doing was at I got mine if issuable in the Apple Watch first launched the estimated delivery date varied wildly between what band choice you picked hard and it would not be the very earliest ones you can get were the sport band and and the ones that were less popular and which were concluded underlying up was the classic buckle in the basic black leather strap arm that look like a better letter of bezel and Y trap arm to clarify this what these terms are actually the action have meaning arm so band encompasses all of them bracelet is the metal kind and strap is everything another malachite answer is to be you have those meanings they do anything ways sometimes I use them interchangeably which can be confusing and that's less now that I've learned more about it unlike that's actually now becomes irritating when people use what the wrong terminology right so exactly arm but during during May in need Raymond to the Apple Watch I ended up trying almost every bounder was available arm so some of them are only available in 30 of the modern buckle and I will afford you so my wife at 30 is a she she you are a she has a modern buckle on her Apple Watch arm and it's it's nice it's the only thing is that arm I think the design is slightly feminine and following a happy and Apple credit that almost all the bands are fairly unisex and fairly gender neutral in there in the design/arm and that's that is quickwitted a credit because that's not true from much of the white rod after arm but the modern buckle it has it does have a slight feminine designed to it and it's also just like the largest one you can get is not that big from most men's rest so it ends up like I can I tried hers and she has I believe the large size modern buckle but even on its largest setting it is a little bit to take middleware so that is as can a problem and on and on like an undecided analytical loop is only available in a large one I think that might have changed everybody genes arm with it with a little series to arm and of course there at the Robinson new was released since I really stop using it arm the entire nylon ban series with Liz after after my time quarter arm and the arm was at the year of the entire as line that's all after my time the Navy crazy sport with all the work that we really new nightmares that might collect data been released yet I was checking on the website I didn't exactly come out yet is available until the 20th so you are here anyway so but enter a kind of having our over the course of having a white I briefly had the Milanese loop arm began in the extra header and exchange it arm is a Milanese loop classic buckle sport band are linked bracelet that the black steel one arm and a and enforced have had the modern buckle I think that is it I had a letter loop briefly when of returning it ahead of it so much Haryana to Seattle… It I wanted to be somewhat better than it is you it just feels funky onwards it does not feel at all like leather and it's building a plastic link yet yes it is exactly what it feels like so right so I guess there's a few things that are about all of these the pros and cons and the different different materials and everything and I think I just wipe, touch on some of that so arm when it comes to fitting a watchband I guess I'll select dimensions I think you need to explore is first and foremost how feels aware against your skin obviously if getting a rash that will be bad thing but stiffing nothing how easy it is to fit and some of them are well I think most require to hands but arm with me for example in the Milanese loop actually managed to fit with one with like I didn't you don't actually like rested on another object and then sort of like to fold in a class Bernina Latin as you get a one-handed with the other one sort of like it's easy to fit arm and obviously it is also arm my concern with the with with Winnie, watches you don't want when you try to fit it taken off knowledge just fly off and smashed on the floor so you some of them I was found that the things like the sports man took me a long time to get used that I found myself like putting it on over carpet so that if it did fall it wouldn't break been very careful anyway so there's also a how easy it is to adjust it so you got X number of holes and author joysticks the same length or if it's Bob chronicler infinitely adjustable like the Milanese loop is infinitely adjustable but now that that can also become a bad thing if you constantly adjusting it arm if some lump sum was slip or move when you're when you're wearing them slide love get looser during the day are the times arm because some people prefer a tight Federal loose fit and go all those things all effect which one you think would do and actually met nonforfeiture waterproof as well that's a big one so arm anyway so the different materials arm in eight and I guess I'd traditionally worn either letter or steel and pretty much nothing else amount never really gone for the blini goal gold bands but I know that you know a lot of arm a lot of women's bands are gold I think that my observation anyway not sure if you noticed are have you ever gone forgot the gold honour band all this example doesn't have a genuine gold are the IK the first and only more in the north is gone ceramic right arm year so just thinking about arm non-Apple watchband so I'm in gold bands don't they just don't seem to be very common arm guys typically don't wear gold bands dispose of observed anyway and I think them in a note that my genetic run on fashion arm I just a no light about watching the white rod for a year but that's that's about it but it seems like arm is similar gold in watches especially regular yellow gold as opposed to the more modern pink all regular yellow gold is not very popular anymore and it's more of a generational thing older people tend to like it more than younger people do arm and so you may see gold watches on people who are above sea in a 5060 leaking at night in Weatherford you definition a positive that are NOT it's it's pretty unusual to find identical lights are fine on somebody below like in a 40 authority and and that's at part that is its cost they cost a fortune that subsequently you as you put all the can usually afford more expensive things are asserts that his hip pocket of it arm but also I think if you're going to go with a gold shed these days anymore rules gold one is more on fashion for both sexes and from and in a lot a lot more man after preferring arm in a white metal is silver gold or silver steel in way called was interesting survival I looked and I was wondering arm though as I've always believed or not I never really looked into the detail of the difference 20 yellow gold and a rose colour difference was in its arm and on the other watch for example they had a was 18 karat gold and why things that always annoyed me about gold as the sole karat thing where 24 characters pure gold that's 100% and everything is like a fraction of that so the terrible skin what the heck you come up with a the 22 Carolina engineers are mostly doesn't make any sense at 2722 karat gold is 22 parts gold the two parts something else which we won't tell you what else but something else of the metal so it's like 91.67% goal so what kind of a fraction is that the 18 karat doesn't make sense's 18 karat is actually 75% goal first three quarters of its gold and between arm's only other watch addition it was although when it was available and I Clarify that the original Apple watch addition the yellow gold arm not sure if it was palladium or platinum I think platinum but I'm not totally sure that arm they have a rose gold you to Stuart, so that it is about that funky rose-ish pinkish colour they are under no hollow but the alloys but that's pretty much you really started their and different in different hours also have different hardness is you are gold typically gold has the problem where a fairly soft metal and so it will you it will tend to scratch and dent more easily than other metals yard and you would different hours of you can have different oscillation pointed to with my with my generalisation a minute ago about the market and fashion ability of gold at various people this varies a lot by country and and by demographic arm solely in certain countries it is more difficult to flaunt wealth visibly and and select the Canada's unknown trainer this is more a thing like if you have wealthier support you it's more normal to really show it in like extravagant visible ways whereas in America to look more like most people want to subdue a little bit and and one alike hunted down little bit more another unrebutted course and selling yellow gold cells better in China and it does here for instance because yellow gold is so in sold noticeable as called you is true and I just things about gold that that's really interesting is that it cleans up and you can buffet and and of like bring it back to practically near new condition it looks really really good arm which is not always true of some the other materials but arm in any case arm just thought was interesting mention but down but yet no gold no longer available network anyway and it's a lot like like you say it's where we live at least it's perhaps not as common certainly most people our age and is arm yet so that asked me in 20 years a priest to a bubonic iWatch at the point never so arm stainless steel is the most common are steel and is as a couple different grades of it that they are that they use and I think the most common one that is used in large or while watches maybe not all jewellery is 316 cell which is netbook nickel chromium and arm one exit was that I was finishing as the day of our on the end and its fathers that the three or six hours of slightly less carbon than the standard 316 it's like .03 versus .08% and arm anyway but the interesting thing is that there is another kind of stainless steel that that Rolex started using in the 80s and it was dark I've seen to mention a few times by different manufacturers 904L which is apparently ridiculously hard like really hard and factored so hard you can actually use arm the normal tooling that used to do a 316 cell you can't use it that the lights apparently change all the tooling and factory and everything just to one to use it and I thought the numbering was a bit weird and if I dug into this because I've always wondered what the SAE stood for an SAE actually stands the Society of automotive engineers which you lost your little brother happens in Varanasi I guess so I just I never come over for a what what that stands for Selassie looked up at a sense for the Society of automotive engineers in America and the finding is ending a start of the nine so all the other was like three XXL at 304316 and sound reactors like nickel chromium but if you got a nine execs that it simply says various High Street strength grade low alloy steels so in other words it's the miscellaneous category saying that's great and I don't think this John out there so yes and stainless steel is awesome because obviously doesn't corrode what it does take a heck of a lot longer arm it does scratch and so on but it's pretty hard part of the gold and you you can buffet pretty good but you can still damage to a point unlike gold we can bring it back to mint condition you currently do that was stainless quite so much but I guess I still still think it looks good but I'm not really sure from like again okay are not on the fashion guide that is supposed to wear leather or stainless or steel arm is addressed watch because I'm not sure so this is this is a tricky category and white fashion are basically and that the the tradition is that steel bracelet watches are tend to be called quote support watches are and and this is it is usually innocent as exceptions to every import but is usually it goes along with a wife that has more utility than good looks and this would be things like chronograph cyber remake anything that's like large authentic or waterproof any kind of diver day was a very popular arm and incidences like that in a sporty watches tend to have like more stuff on the dial sticker kissing sticker bezels and metal bracelets and if they tend to be in a waterproof to did more depth and things like that and then dress watches are usually much simpler often time only or only time indeed Olly Miller no chronograph functioning else are dressed watches are almost always on leather straps or alligator straps and hired our and the little Ndebele cleaner designs are tend to be smaller watches more elegantly the 37 to 39 mm transitive right as you like 40 to 43 arm however all this being said dress watches are are not entirely like dress watches have I think when you popularity in recent years basically now so many people love sport watches that people wear sport watches for all occasions formal enough so you know somebody might well elect a mega speed master is a very popular splotch many relaxers that the re-elected toner is public chronograph are many relaxers are our sport watches are boat people where it is with suits and stuff anyway so busily there used to be at norms here and some people still believe in them but what it easily condenses today as nobody cares wear whatever you like okay and it would look a little weird you're wearing like but you know are really fancy dress whites with a fancy alligator strap with a T-shirt and shorts year some people do that because I love dress watches that there might be recurrent so I will often wear dress watch with T-shirt and jeans and just say I'm with you if you like is your problem hello you'll feel ideal for the wheeling I people there there are only or the favourite wife is a diver and built the weather diver for every occasion suit or a T-shirt and shorts & ultimately watch fashion doesn't matter much to other people anymore if it ever did ultimately you have to choose as a white person UB/mixed be okay with the fact that like you're really doing this for yourself in almost every business or social circle or a police that you will be no one else is going to notice a carer what you're wearing so just wear whatever you you want to wear wear whatever you like and what makes you feel good bites fair enough absolutely it is a very long wear enter your question of basically typically no amount of LPS is not formal but it doesn't matter fair enough wealth yes it is a good point actually and arm I have Connor worn both and have just been oblivious to like I realise that there was a difference and I realise that are you one was more formal than the other but I'd I was confused because I saw so many people wearing stealing bracelets with no like a state's definition of a sport watch arm with chronograph and such and you II just I was confused because it was or in different social setting so clearly you are I think what you're saying is an accurate reflection of what I've observed not just never really been tuned into it until more recently so it makes sense and I guess from my point of view though arm i.e. I like the idea of having a watch and you can you can change its personality without physically changing what those monies are like a be a change the band because you change the band it changes some of the aspects when when you look at the watch and when when how it goes with certain goat with certain outfits in certain situations so and I got some psycho fashion person anyway I thought a little long all year ago Rev and it's a good place to be at it turns out one version is its integrate fruit for people like me and of reality for the category of people like me who have just never ever been fashionable in their entire lives in a mostly nerdy are at like white fashion is something that is that is a small area that is easily understood by geeky engineers and is easily managed and and travelled by people who don't otherwise a lot of fashion in them and that's that's really has been for me like a I think a pretty fashionable my watch is now unfashionable with nothing else in my entire life but that doesn't matter to submitting to call you I'm I'm reaching a similar sort of point and I guess my are the things I love my Apple watch too much but that doesn't mean I can go and try different bands and see how you see how it looks and feels and is in terms of functionality as well so that the finding is that dumb now that third parties are able to our produce bands I guess it's broken the case for at least a year and or more now arm even your half summary of materials that are out there for bands that ordinarily aren't available through the Apple store you can you can get and I've had a look at some of the different options out there and can't actually mind bending the different materials that you can get beyond well beyond steel and fluoro elastomer arm if you like your references as rubber rather Shiite and the fancy name doesn't make any fancy a senior arm I've ever I've seen you mention alligator before alligator or crocodile thing is, considered to be arm pretty pretty posh I have no idea that only undress watches and address what I'm and honestly and I personally I have one watch that that has an alligator strap on it and I I personally don't care for alligator members there is forcible I think there might be some leg problems with how the animals are undertreated for the Senate think of some problems there are also inner compared to whether it is it is more stiff in it as it is Lehigh remittances and it isn't as comfortable arm but even when it does look formal but in my opinion like if I ever find a really good letter strap that what a proper change in the letter it's good to know I mean I was looking through some of the list of like natural mice and natural meaning I like animal hides and I couldn't believe someone here like a lizard I found lizard believe was also the crazy ones like when you develop that the crazy high-end skins 11 it's interesting is Shell quarter van switches actually horse leather but the if you get it from from the promote the good places like a whoring in which the company and that women might bigotry market and of this is a generic, I think the remark but you whoring shockwave and is reused ethically and socially it's like that the courses that have died from other causes that are there a lot of that is being used and kind of précis I strapped me to shockwave and tends to start at about $70 US and are often godlike that the low hunt lowered Irene's boat and it is the softest nicest most comfortable letter ever felt and what one of the brands a local art is no more slatted and no most that their watches are very very nice and lots of ways and one of the ways that they're very nice is that I think all the older letter is Shell quarter van is and is coursing out of the reasoning of my company and everything I do offer a few like Lego's weedkiller, because we'd spellbound but almost on the boundary whether or not another is this type of leather and its incredibly soft and comfortable call gaskets snail putter pulling a machinist about to arm is one thing that Apple does not offer because I am in the public can offer it because the volumes Apple selling remittances is coming from one source that is probably not having lots of Natalie died horses going into it so I would imagine it's the account in Apple Apple can only make things that they can they can make in great volumes because this is a cells only do is it interesting that when when he says like $7000 a lot of the a lot of what fans Apple sells more than that arm so I do assure any vendor and you Apple credit apples bands are very good like it compared to other bands in the white world apples bands are really top-class ID there is a few and was a few duds in our image and agrees with the letter loop arm but for the most part their abounds are excellent and Andy really I think should be commended that we take him in a little in the very first offering of a white skin with a very large number of of choices here and almost all of which are not only good but great that's true it's very true that they did their homework and I did a really great they face they open very strong I think and do and then that is really good idea just wonder just so I got a list here just quickly other other different materials I found some of the summer my thought were bizarre like arm before we move on is like I'm ostrich arm shark snake buffalo which I thought okay and then I got two similar stuff that was an animal related so like carbon fibre which I'm sure how that would even be particularly comfortable that a carbon fibre argued in you make an elemental Dominican Republic negative you MobileMe carbon fibre link bristle of some sort amateur as there was we'd isolate okay so anyway arm ceramic at the bracelets that's true yes are my Apple but other people make exactly and different metals like the more exotic metals things like our titanium platinum are so on with rhodium minute which I thought was a bit exit that's really exotic but in any case arm yes so those are different different bands so we took our band straps bracelets and the different kinds of what they are one of will little things is one add to that is arm some bands are loops and loops can be either captive or non-captive so like a captive loop like the Milanese league like you can't actually separate the Milanese loop the magnet sort of doesn't fully come out of the end of it grows malevolently flat on a table yet exactly where some as it does a separate whereas the letter loop they made a design decision to put the arsenals of your short and arm with the hole at one end of it that the other ends like slot slips through and it doesn't it actually can come apart which I find I for the female bit annoying because the negative threaded through in order to get on some to the dingdong rest so Arlette see the band pins arm just quickly is Apple don't actually have band pins because they the third the pins that hold the banding on on every other watch in the world well that's a sweeping generalisation the vast majority watches maybe I started down looking into the different kinds of spring glass like they've got and so you've got like he is he is the list that I found arm classic double flanked Spring bars double shoulder spring bars round-trip spring bars single shoulder spring bars female spring bars telescoping spring bars curved spring bars short and spring bars big spring bars through buyers and is growing more than that because I stopped at that point might okay yikes my memory of of of changing bands on a traditional watch is try to get my fingernail in to that notch and try and like put Paul the edge of that spring-loaded bidding and then gently cried out and then try and catch it before the spring just shoot across the room or something angular getting a bag and yes if this is one of many deaths in life where having the right tool for the job makes a world of difference is that all other rental my pal having an hour to perfectly worked fine until I lost the spring bar anyway as a whole category of spring bottles you can get them the rings from praise from about a dollar to about 70 is not to mention spring by a player of the can they can compress both sides of the Springboro wants got a lot more than that in the area as a whole range of tours with a view to anyone abounds more often than never ignore it if this is listed is that no one changes them right because it's too much pain the neck and that there are some that the some quickly is one that having little bars you can push you with your slider bar on you listening underside of the strap were taxes and that is the compress of the Springboro from the outside and then so it still is still Springboro but it has a busily quenching bar that being said though i.e. I don't know a lot of other watch errors in real life they don't know anybody who actually uses quick change bars on a regular basis to change the way straps are leading what Apple has with tears with this truly like watching system which is even easier than that I with his these buttons you put in your slider or thing out what Apple has with their watch attacker mechanism there is so much better than what the rest of the industry does it's it's really quite nice and in one when I'm not using and Apple Watch are a aid I wish that many of the watchers had straps that were that easily changed my icon I have a part of me that that is that's hoping that the rest of the watch industry sort of sees that and sees the success that is Apple apples had on selling arm the watch bands and and having a smarter quick changing mechanism like Apple of got and I'm hoping they run would I haven't seen it yet but I'm hoping that they'd that they do something like that because the thing that occurred to me is that once you once you lower that make it more accessible once you make those sorts of tasks easier then previously normative ever ever of said I'm going out tonight I change my watch valves get spring bar to allow no one but maybe someone out there that thinks that that I have met I doubt and it is never change watch member now that with the other watchers arm mechanism makes it so easy that you think start thinking well maybe I can actually have three watch bands which no one would ever thought of previously just get a second or third watch so I guess you I think that siding is great and what it means is that you can actually choose to do that and and the wit the weird thing is that over Apple what had look into what they actually called it may simply call the Apple watchband interface and suck seriously guys that we come up with it anyway so they release a whole are made rubber watch thing and third parties could comply with the watch lug dimensions and interface dimensions and everything in it some it's great but I can't see that anyone else's is really going to like that no one else other than apples can have as a standard but at least it means that we can go to like the Amazons got a whole bunch of arm some of them through arm Ali express all Ali Babar or whatever else you notice a whole bunch of knockoffs from different parts of the world they will comply now which is great so I've got a handful of them and it just gives you those option so anyway arm we talk about buckles are so glitzy arm because men buckles and clasps that I guess this would have used interchangeably with a not really the same thing other A8 this I actually do not have the precise definition of reasonably Abbott wanted a subset of the other year I would imagine clap clap is probably the superset by a I don't know for sure what what what I was able to sort of now digging up and reading up a lot on this and try to get my head around because it was bugging me is arm from and discuss demonstrators like buckles seem to be productively for fastening two pieces together whereas clasps are more about securing our loop into a fixed position and it's kinda just about the best I could come up with but on another that's always go be applicable because the problem is that everyone you cease to use them interchangeably and that makes it hard to get a different definition a good definition but one thing is I did find that was interesting is the idea of a deployed deployment or deployment arm and i.e. I carcass war people having an argument on this web on this watch website over whether was deployment or deployment clasp services this is the I can tell you what the answer is I always fight that the answer was it was cold deployment but that people would miss here that is deployment and eventually that just got on our but I could be wrong are basically the Wheaties work is your normal you have a typical white buckle everyone has seen him put the author of the thing strap is either arm the deployment basically you said it at a fixed length are and then that the deployment clasp itself is just as busily swinging buckle thing so we can illegally swing open single-handed and out and you like you 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Marco Arment

Marco Arment

Marco writes at his site and has a podcast with friends called the Accidental Tech Podcast each week.

John Chidgey

John Chidgey

John is an Electrical, Instrumentation and Control Systems Engineer, software developer, podcaster, vocal actor and runs TechDistortion and the Engineered Network. John is a Chartered Professional Engineer in both Electrical Engineering and Information, Telecommunications and Electronics Engineering (ITEE) and a semi-regular conference speaker.

John has produced and appeared on many podcasts including Pragmatic and Causality and is available for hire for Vocal Acting or advertising. He has experience and interest in HMI Design, Alarm Management, Cyber-security and Root Cause Analysis.

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