Pragmatic 78: Full Term Surface Pro

20 January, 2017


For 9 months now John has been using a Microsoft Surface Pro 4 for work purposes, and Vic’s son uses a Pro 3 at College. We go back and forth on the device as both a laptop and a tablet.

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Love that keyboard welcome to pragmatic pragmatic is a discussion show containing the practical application of technology by exploring real-world trade-offs with our great ideas can change our lives nothing simple means I host John Geagea and a joint once again by Vic Hudson has gone good John Barry that's good I am going very well to talk to you today about arm something that I have been using now for quite some time you couldn't you could fax a that I've gone full term now on the surface pro for and treated year year. But so I have now had my substrate for fight characters nine-month anniversary with Ella's remind everybody this is your machine rate yes it is and I did not pay for it and will talk about whether I would pay for one little bit later on but I don't spoil the ending but I'm still using it so no just give them might so in April are this year I shuddered to work and there was a shiny new service pro for sitting on my desk I she spoke a little bit about this in episode 73 I was about 40 minutes in there was only pretty briefly for a few minutes now I've had a chance to be used that machine for a long time I'm think it's time on radio through the details so you want hit a back story about why I sold my MacBook Pro I refer you to that episode gave a listen if you haven't heard already are or if you have her go back and listen again and just refresh your memory but anyway this is in short the first time any company has ever ever ever actually given me a decent piece of IT hardware hardware that wasn't just rubbish it's been an amazing laptop now the thing is a cause people of Australia say what is better hardware out there for monies or yes that's true bites you know and is not the most powerful laptop ever but from my work point of view it's an all Windows environment so you know I was I was doing stuff with certificates and everything I couldn't quite join the domain with a MacBook Pro there are restrictions I couldn't do everything at least on this thing are on the service pro I can do everything I need to do adjoins the domain no problem is no issues everything with office 365 things up without issues and the good work laptop so how how I use it then so at work I use a surface doc now do not surface doc is what I guess x-ray is what I call fantastic at what was surface arm version as it I couldn't tell you that is under so however his apartment one day and he added that knees can get the connector to he is still in university college school calm he uses a surface and are when he comes home from school he puts it in the dark in his groceries connected to an external display in a mouse and keyboard straight away I know that's an older model that Scott that the document physically set the surface in a clicks into place in the dockyards so it gives him a nice multi-display set up Roger so the service pro for does not have that service pro four has are essentially like a black power brick muscle looks like off to the side you plug the power cable into it and you plug to up to 2 this to USB ports to many display ports are an ethernet port and audio in and out and a Kensington will and are accessing a Kensington lock yesterday don't look anything over in the process John yet anyway and are and out the end of it comes a single black cable with a connector that is about maybe 2 inches long and just under an interim image was just an inch wide and that is a magnetically connects into the side of the surface prior to that one cable carries all of that and also charges the younger laptop program so into the surface doc that I use at work I have 224 inch monitors connected by those too many display ports states that the HDMI adapters I also have a hard wired ethernet connected by the dock are and he is the one piece of our lives could live without my USB aluminium are full-size keyboard with numeric keypad is my still my favourite keyboard of all time thank you love that thing arm so you use that you are an Apple USB keyboard on the surface the only being eyes I can't escape that that that this feels kinda wrong for the vascularisation of something going on there I think is own love with those keys and that is perfectly normal or something and I so at home I have exactly the same so I bought another one those keyboards a while back I have one work and one at home as a lover keyboard dimension at anyway arm except the cause of home honourable bit less coordinated with my monitors and AOI 122 inch and 124 inch monitor and they don't match one's masseuse and ones are Ben Q and are ones on HMI nouns on VGA so I know it's a little bit of a hodgepodge video I don't care it works actually that's their word for it works real damn straight and our yard is a surface doc home as well right so I've got a service work and one home so I don't have to worry about all the cables and other stuff hanging out this thing is on the service from the actual laptop itself or the tablet section if you'd like arm there is a 3.5 mil arm stereo port after your headphones are there is obvious in the dock port arm firm for document as a single USB three port and a single display for an asset that we get our monitoring the connector and the bond that obviously connects up the keyboard when it's connected or type cover if you prefer to call it that so you know you kinda need the dock to do anything more serious than that they can't attach more than one external monitor without that doc so arm the feigning I mention I had to arm screens work well I actually want HDMI displays and if you go through the building that almost all the monitors are DVI or VGA, HDMI because I want to have the Audis the audio through the speakers and gadget year and it made sense at the time and I want to get matching monitors by walk through the building I couldn't find two HDMI monitors it took me a while literally was walking around every single floor looking for these monitors right and I finally found out later holder came out really creep in under people's desks and look at the see what they're planning that the testee also wants display it's not steel it's reallocate resources illicit laziness reallocated ECR is the day got a perfectly functional 24 inch monitor just wasn't HDMI yellow hey man, I just disease your eyelashes sounds very odd hate is or if I were asked to give. An Epson was broken as a totally different anyway so signing elegance I'm yes I search the whole building I am finally found to monitors with the same kind same brand same model same everything so they would match on my desk okay the co-ice never said a story but I can live the mother reports or came to work the next day and got himself what happened here some poor souls and he was my criteria criteria one had to be a desk that no one was using known an abandoned desk I didn't get out from someone's desk that was a populated desk again second) year and the second criteria was that it had to be HDMI monitor and believe me those two criteria were difficult to meet in this building it has sent 11 floors of which were in nine of the 11 floors is that the company I work for and now there's probably about 350 people for people maybe in that building so that a lot of desks to check and it took a while but I finally got matching monitors you and your digger alas I do not have that luxury home and I kinda have to use what I got to find now is something because because I'm using the external keyboard write my Apple keyboard that I love arm I actually remove the surface type cover went.don't I don't actually leave that cover us I take it off so the whole thing actually sits like a tablet just like a standalone screen it is my third screen essentially and the Michael keyboard is Mikey was up my Apple keyboard in front of managers becomes like a screen it sits underneath and roughly in the middle of the other two greens above it that are on a Yum visa arm stand above the ear above the desk because I had the clutter of the cables and even got more bundled up now the way so that's how I set up and as I use it so the things I like about this thing is the dock is awesome it getting all that cable clutter off the desk and or you end up with a single black cable between the surface and you dock and as far away in a corner of the desk and came and see the dock anymore at home it's a bit more difficult because I had a lot of other rubbish on here like to say rubbish sorry Heil didn't mean your rubbish your beautiful microphone that I have my two microphones I got some speakers and a cordless phone in the avionics blackjack in a few different bits and bobs on it it's just not as tidy my home desk is actually a mass compared my work desk and a minor arm so the document in the power connector is after the portable charger Seeger Paula Chandler comes with it it's not actually a dock connector it's just for charging so it's very very skinny arm and both of them though they're both bidirectional so you can actually like magnetically alignment arm with the cable coming up out the top or down out of the bottom and either orientation work see can choose whichever way you prefer works fine either way so bidirectional just conical just like the MagSafe I guess it is cool that is a lot more connectors on a gay see what else are the indicator LED on the dock connector shows if it it's actually powered and it's actually working and that's handy con like the MagSafe connector on the old MacBook Airs and MacBook Pros used to be your old boy Arrigo yeah yeah like it used to be now Mackay same you can hinder beginning in my opinion and my tone good night not dwell on surface pen is cool insofar as it magnetically attaches to the cider surface pro and that is really handy because it's in there and the other thing is cool is that when it is magnetic man magnetically connected it takes a for a battery so AAAA 9880 Triple-A Faure is really tiny narrow thin armed alkaline battery is a possible rechargeable once I don't have it plugged in at some stupid angle and then someone says it's really clever design its genius has no not really is and is the Apple pencil is prone to breakage when sticking out of the back end of your damn iPad believe me consists ridiculous design anyway so the service. Broken one came close you sound better from experience it was slightly bent but not broken arm and it wasn't me it was a random passerby that snagged their shorts on as they were walking past my darling way way way I see you have that the pits were charging in the iPad and it was just like sticking out from your desk it wasn't sticking our didn't think it was because of the angle, so why has okay I get to work in the morning I have not marked my iPad Pro I plug in the Apple pencil is usually down about 30% and I plug it in and awaits charging takes about 20 minutes tops together for charge sometimes about 15 democracy depends on discharge there is blubber anyway it was pushing away from the edge of the desk there was just enough of it protruding that it was around about pocket height for someone who is wearing business pants you know like telepresence trousers and they just turned around and it just owns fortunately they were pressing up just a little bit against the edge of the desk and it snagged the end of it and us and basically sent my iPad Pro flying fortunately with all the angles of confluent lap and I caught it before it hit the ground smashed and when I got surface pen and has slight bend in the end of it so it's like that was really really genius yeah great sister will burn anyway so that the plus side of that the service planners that went magnetically connected to the side there's a magnetically switching and that disables the power cycle switch right arm yet whereas the Apple pencil doesn't have that kind of thing built into it which would be nice Apple habit you get on that next version arm the army because like the Apple pencil is always on our then and hence I can charger and said down and not use it for a day and you lose like 35 service charge so is not that that's a nontrivial amount George lost you know and their arguments doesn't take very long to charge as really convenient anyway so that surface pen I been using for nine months it's been on the its original battery still go on don't have any change in so arm so you liked about surface pen and ANA had no funny charging thing are the type cover in this model has a magnetic rib and house to describe it with a with a hinge sort of thing a loose hinge out on the top edge of and it allows you to store proper keyboard up so it out and have described exactly but it's like the keyboard has the bottom hinge that connects into the connector magnetically underneath on the on the edge of the surface pro but then is another magnet that sits across the front just around the corner and then the whole that that act like they superior point in their pivots closed and then when you open it you can actually open down that first section in a magnetic rib at the bottom stays connected to the front face of the surface and that has the effect of tilting the keyboard up only a few degrees like maybe it's 5° 6° angle and that means that you have a slightly raised set of keys think that that's a cool idea I also hate it so I'd actually never use it but I think it's cool if they could score but you hate you that's it does for people with with the member a few weeks ago will talk about the touch bar gear covering year not okay I'm impressed by the novelty and that's where it ends anyway so the keyboard right arm all the versions of the surface pro had a kickstand at the back but is only adjustable in a small number of positions now like to 3 and I was it that this one it's infinitely adjustable and the best parties after nine months of his thought noticing you how arm thing sort of get a little bit dumb more more limber and looser after you use are like that these these things after a while I position as they don't that this sort of status slowly drew drift inside I was expecting after a while the single dislike slide open on the table after nine months about this it's just as good as they one CSO to a positional and stays there is really good arm and while really good things is that if you can actually period this thing way way backwards like if you mention fully close to 0° you ship of the sting out of our hundred and 60° so practically hundred 80° flat the other direction or that means is that the actual arm touch surface is just at the right angle like it's a drawing board and you can write on and sign things on it like that and press down and actually feels a cycle drawing drawing board but a very small drawing board admittedly but still the drawing board again the pen pressure sensitivity is much more granular than the Apple pencil like I can I can be very very precisely manner pressure put on and it will show a relative proportional increase was the Apple pencil is not granular I don't know why it just isn't arm the material on the outside of that type cover the surface type cover is really nice if there was a tiger psychopath/not quite leather material that it's like a plush five very fuzzy but not fluffy on our subscriber on I'm terrible at describing things but it it feels really really nice it feels expensive and this is so much nicer than pretty much any cover that Apple has ever made I mean really it's it is that nice you know it feels so good so I walk around came surface pro and fun carrying my fingers on my thumb is resting on that surface and site that's nice present came iPad arm the outside of the ER the cover is right is like just rubber for longer rather our material and then of course I got my arm loggia loggia plus our case keyboard case for it as well that I wear use most the time and arm yet it's just hard plastic part rough plastic so so those are the things that I really like about this thing now you even think that I like sure well you house that I hello have a service problem pen is magnetically attached to the side of the surface pro yeah that's great and I put in a bag because once you put in the bag just comes right off dislike first few times that happen when weather has mischievous Pentagon it formed the ball in the back so whereupon the bag now because it kept coming off I was taken off and regarding the bag are well aluminised of the maggots were stronger anyway the nearby that's like that the tip of that surface pen that comes with the surface pen it's actually really quite resistant to movement as it is delivered to much friction – is quite a bit too much friction and one comes with it turns out when my kids arm dropped the pan and didn't tell me I countered this smashed it smashed itself on one side bought and there is a replacement for packs over a four pack of nibs and as I 15 bucks is not too expensive icing went through and each of them are supposed to be imitating a different kind of pencil so the 4H are pencil are ironing this wonderful H nib and is so much about so much better than the one comes with it and is a lot more like the Apple pencil so I like once a glides over the surface of a bit more don't mind that feeling feels a bit longer you like a really nice smooth ballpoint pen I comedian point site is not much resistance nice but is ashamed to come with that orchard come with that that the pack of different nibs in doesn't you get it separately arm I don't like the trackpad funding as it is actually also a couple weeks ago were talking about the the other brand-new huge enormous are Multi-Touch trackpad is in the new MacBook Pros which I was very impressed with that those is pressed with a tap trackpad, touch bar arm this trackpad is disputes pretty terrible once you get used I think what it used in apples Multi-Touch trackpad everything else is yes horrible it you deftly ruin solely a it ruins your fingers man dislike and addiction I must have and I am sorry if it feels pretty horrible at that that trackpad on the arm the other thing is interesting as I have the surface mouse which is the one that kind of yellow squash is flat turnoff and bends in order to turn on arm which I see, like but the thing is that you does a setting in the settings you can say that whenever you got a Bluetooth mouse or external mouse connected to disk and disable the trackpad on the building keyboard which out because I hate the trackpad might get body that so I tried this without setting on and off and yet was supposed to happen is if you do have a setting on or if you are a setting if you are sitting on when you have disconnected turn off your mouse the trackpad should enable itself and usually does if it's off then the trackpad should always be enabled to either won't limit when you connect the mouse and not the defining years I've had multiple times quite a few times now in fact wearable just disable the trackpad no matter what you do you can say trackpad on like never disable it or if you Bluetooth mouse you can have it to disable it when the Bluetooth matters connected new turnoff blue to the top mouse up the trackpad doesn't come back to life in fact I had cases where the trackpad is not responding I could move the cursor accent to get surface pen out in order to like in to click on thanks not good enough pretty simple stuff right now I and the thing is that I have like I'll take the cover off or put it back on but there's nothing my mouse to control the nothings of gabapentin it struggles sometimes you get with your finger sometimes but it's not as good and I said singing praise the pen before but I'll be honest it's just not as nice as the Apple pencil the waiting doesn't feel as good for whatever it's worth but the reality is that even with a nice and nib are I found that the accuracy of the Apple pencil was better and the responsiveness was better as well the only thing where this is better was the pressure sensitivity that set the tilts on the Apple pencil is great for shading and you different apps in the system what you know so neither pen is not as good as the Apple pencil arm on the other thing is the power projection is not so good either is nowhere near as good as the iPad but my single biggest complaint is Windows 10 not just Windows 10 it's the fact that Windows 10 can't handle the transition reliably between docked and undocked and back again and so terrible I've just started to shut the machine down and I just restarted again and make the transition went off so I followed this done docket shut it down take out the dock connector attached to keyboard and then go to the meeting and fire at my laptop you because it just can't handle of a folder disconnected and then just put attached the cover put to sleep I take it to the meeting room and it would struggle and was a struggle it's like it would it would struggle to turn back on you know arm possibly more about in the Windows 10 bit as I can go about other things about the surface pro specifically and have the hardware that I don't like or suffered specific to the fact that surface rock is Windows 10's Windows 10 I think it has sleep-wake problems anyway the touchscreen keyboard is shocking what I can pretty well touch type on the iPad screens keyboard like iPad Pro 12 inch 12.9 inch and I know that the service pro is not that big screen is close but not that big but honestly the touchscreen keyboard and Windows is terrible this is shocking now responsiveness is terrible the key is a dodgy spacing is just this is rubbish I don't like it at all and I cannot touch type on the matter how hard I tried I tried a few times ultimately as a tablet is a very good gate heavy get hot under moderate use like quite warm are the fans are going off under moderate use hardly any apps that are on there because it's for Windows 10 DA they haven't thought through the touch interface so the gesture the other just a thing Windows 10 was like slide your fingers in from the laptop from the right dirt to open up that by the selection bar at the site that selection by the end the gestures and stuff on the keyboard itself is mentioned it is not as intuitive as iOS and it's hard to put a figure on that were qualitatively it's just not as easy to use arm the battery life is no great even in low-power mode so wet from my my ER litmus test is word myself would not work in a Word document iPad Pro I could go for 10 hours and unreasonably high screen brightness no problem I Word document my MacBook Pro I used to get about six hours similar conditions same set up on the surface and I would be really lucky to get four hours a NASA low battery mode so out the eight is just existing note there is no comparison right it's like it's not as if in some ways those a huge dealbreaker don't do like long stems like that all that often but when I used to go to long meetings arm I used to go with my laptop without charging lead and or powerpack you are meant to charge it now if it did the means longer than two hours I take it with me just to make sure I don't carefully get doesn't go flat that's pretty bad is annoying and the service keyboard keys there better than the ones on Apple's smart keyboard cover by a reasonable amount but compared to what I've got on pretty much any other lack of ever owned a even on the the weird low heights the Butterfly mechanism think he is that they had that Apple attract paddling these days you may feel better than the keys in the gas keyboard and is why is my beautiful wonderful Apple external in a million keyboard at my desk that's why use the love that keyboard anyway Windows 10 data source title matters before and I have this thing retard a separate service pro form Windows 10 because you have to run Windows 10 to use those pro for don't get a choice so what I hate about Windows 10 your notice I started acting don't have a love list melodically list Windows 10 is it mostly works that's not a definition of love it's my definition of steel do that, Matt with Windows 10 #saying I forced reboots whenever updates have you heard about this one I have night to his the thing you get is notification my Windows experience are still primarily Windows 7 by witnessing our choice Windows 7 you could choose to postpone or download and restart now but I'm guessing you don't get a choice made it download latest updates and then reboots itself it you currently comes up with a message and it says downloads have been updated aside our updates, God Saddam has been updated updates have been downloaded and need to be applied to your system they will be applied in 30 minutes and gives you a timer you cannot cancel it you cannot postpone it you cannot do anything to start saving your staffing just week please see you dismiss the dialogue and disappears right and forget about it and you like I can just get this email done I can just finish working on this PowerPoint slide I could just get this crap I lost wow I have sat in presentations where the guy given a presentation has had his computer shutdown to do updates through a presentation I kid you not so if there are no zero registry settings are anything you can is the Windows registry store thing is setting somewhere you can hack the hard way for this now I actually have a logic that probably is but it's just like seriously out-of-the-box you don't get a choice the anyhow so you and then of course it applies updated 20 minutes and you're locked out the new mazes go get a cup of coffee in the minutes dangling another one anyway so it doesn't sleep-wake arm reliably and I think I mentioned this before I've actually thought I'd put to sleep and I've come home having had in my bag for an hour and the fans are going like crazy psycho and this thing has is is the psych spewing out heat and open up and Scott like 20% of battery left and it turns out the next go to sleep just been running the water in run-off time just in a bag in a bag sharp building heat spinner warmup Ma warmup or starving back for me thanks good really this were needed so I mostly given up on trusting sleep-wake or sometimes if you wake yet we try to wake you when you do that sometimes you open up and use a laptop my lawyer plugging the dock cable you just a black screen you can press the sleep-wake button on top and nothing will happen pressed a few times nothing happens present hold of maybe a minute you might see signs of life and even after you do see signs of life usually have to restart again afterwards is really really annoying and is the one thing that I really miss about my MacBook is the be ability to open up and away goes close the lid. Down or goes to sleep I should say anyway so that is very annoying so I the only money down only plus side is that at least the service pro is booted up within like 30 seconds or less and 20 seconds it's pretty fast and shutdown is even quicker so that's not too bad but still annoying are dragging windows between screens with different DPI resolutions that is insane it is just so bad some if your window and it takes up an entire screen in high DPI mode, unlike as a service pro screens IDP I am going to a 24 inch monitor that is not high DPI as I'm dragging that window it goes from it just fits the screen to like 2 1/2 times its size the size of the screen in the year so then you are seeing 1/4 that's it and like it doesn't rest as such times here anyway Anna Costello around your take one of the 24 inch screen low DPI mode into the high DPI and microscopic you cannot read any postage stamp will demonstrate winning so that just hisses me off right the menu or the toolbar is never quite right if you connect or disconnect documents running in a so the manual down bar so it thinks that you're a certain zoom ratio when you not and if you go into the display settings and Ryan change that zoom ratio it doesn't help much the can set the it it's 100% hundred 50% 200% 300% and casino many can like gum zoom in and out in a sense and it never quite gets it right unless you rebooted just dynamically just can't do it with the drydock and undocumented running tides gave up on that and I just rebooted because it works that way it's comical but the final nail in the coffin of a lot of this stuff comes back to is a tablet is a laptop and the problem is that most the software developers for Microsoft have not cottoned on the fact that the service pro is also a tablet or supposed to be some mostly software dozens arm really support touch properly so you get the acting was good to work with a mouse and with touch getting dagger bolted on experience I certainly a.m. and got some of the software does have a touch mode in a mouse mode and I have switch between just fishing urges for giggles if you just for giggles yes anyway and is actually usually not much of a difference except that in touch mode the icons in the toolbar of the ribbon gets slightly bigger then little bit more widely spaced than a mouse mode with as little bit more cramped together and Mike they both did on the screen why did you just like have one the did both and I both bigger and slightly better more space whatever in reality the iPad is an amazing tablet and it makes a passable laptop in a pinch as I've proven and a lot of other people like Federico Tichy and her camera shot while ago he also is doing a great job at Azhar is a laptop replacement the surface on the other hand is a passable laptop but it makes a crummy tablet just doesn't make the grade tablet so honestly I'm I'm not convinced I'd I'm not convinced I'd buy a service pro for with my own money it's still the best computer that my work has ever provided for me ever arm but that's more than evaluation relatively speaking of what other rubbish they generally give you and just how bad the other laptop really are bad you know seriously so arm as my wife wouldn't would say arm it that it had a low bar and it just it was above that low bar that was good arm but it's a low bar anyway occasionally when amount about I'll I offer MacBook one you know all the non-touch bar MacBook Pro back negotiate that escape the touch bar but honestly keeping that service pro arm for work in the iPad for podcasting and personal use reading news reading reading newspapers Twitter and also using as my work journal handwriting journal arm that then the iPad is still working really well for me the way it is and arm and having this is my happiness services my work machine is working really well but I only use it because it's my work machine and I'm not entirely convinced that I would actually buy one with my own money is good it's it is good but honestly it's just not quite good enough in a lot of ways I'm still gonna go invest in the MacBook are again for a while until I'm convinced that Apple affixed the issues with Sierra and other things and I been dealing with another one my wife's messages and face times got locked down on her MacBook after 1210.12 .1 was applied to she can't receive on that so it's just young playground damn right and so have you ever actually use the surface but all service pro for like is the design and one are outplayed with separate Fat maybe 10 minutes types fell I would act honestly fairly answered Milner really but generally unimpressed arm seem like a workable of IAC seems delicately united it is only computer that is carried out his wallet school and is able to do everything he needs to do with it that's good and not a just a not have any personal experience with it really whatsoever fair enough K Moroney cool in your thoughts then before you wrap it up as anatomist Morris to say be honest I decided be not be interested to know you what the heck I thought I was doing the Saint-Saens is a crazy nonwhite year and now they now now they understand the depth of my insanity and survey and with men in Waco it's coming this should have got more arm more troubled people seriously though is the Windows registry Stelazine yes it is regedit I'll bet you could probably get in there and hack about your right but you know what my days registry hacking I'm just done BAA don't miss those I don't miss those that I'll set and setting equates smugly pleased that they didn't even know if the registry was still at the this idea might if you want to warrant this you can reach me on Twitter John should you or you can follow pragmatic showed seashell announcements and other related stuff and now if you'd like guardians out of the car was the best way for the millionth time outward at one Lane and if you'd like to send a website that everyone and is always feeling it's been ages since we've been least a few weeks but here's the thing arm I wanted to talk about something I wanted that God keeping my damn foot switch I tried again, collaborative altar did you idea in himself to him only I'm just not my forehead so I may follow your recording that night the night that maybe Skype Skype was predicting was insane and made noises for me very protective speech that is terrible terrible which is a hope with 11 big thing in AA yes it is a nice guy has AI worry uses, so your use the new you want to try and recover this really wants I am totally just gonna keep on rocking we we keep trucking orate like saying that I don't know why because of never driven a truck bully like a big 18 wheeler was wanted to looks like a lot of fun anyway back on topic manageable on the surface Ltd shutdown restarted so I can connect the screen arm and good times men could danceďż˝
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Vic Hudson

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